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In pre Unit days it was real simple, now from 63-72 there seem to be a bewildering variety of oil pumps. I have a DU 33XXX series 1966.

My parts book says my pump should be E3878, then in 1968 it's E6928, in 1970 E9421 and so on. Which models will fit my 1966? Can't find E3878 new or second hand for the life of me..the others, yes.

I have unit oil pumps with the "offset" mounting holes..the pre- units were 180 in line. . I have pump plungers (a) Scavenge 0.487/ Feed 0 .374 and another pump (b) scavenge 0.436 /feed 0.374---this seems to be correct for my year 1966 according to the Workshop manual 650's up to 1970 and must be the mysterious E3878?.

What on earth is the other pump for? A T100 Unit as I also had parts for that lying about? It would seem odd to have a bigger scavenge diameter (0.487 vs 0.436) on a smaller engine, or did Triumph get it wrong in the literature and actually (a) is correct for my 650 since it scavenges faster but delivers the same , both feed plungers being 0.374

Don't want to blow up my rebuild, so it helps to know. Am using the factory 63-70 edition of Workshop manual.

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Originally Posted by Peter Gee

My parts book says my pump should be E3878, then in 1968 it's E6928, in 1970 E9421 and so on. Which models will fit my 1966? Can't find E3878 new or second hand for the life of me..the others, yes.

I have pump plungers (a) Scavenge 0.487/ Feed 0 .374 and another pump (b) scavenge 0.436 /feed 0.374---this seems to be correct for my year 1966 according to the Workshop Manual 650's up to 1970 and must be the mysterious E3878?


650/750

'63 - '66, E3878 (Scavenge 0.437"/ Feed 0.374")

'67 - 'early' '69, E6928 (Scavenge enlarged to 0.487"/ Feed 0.374")

Late '69 - '79, E9421/ 70-9421 (Scavenge 0.487"/ Feed enlarged to 0.406")

'80 ->, 71-7317 'double check-valve' pump (same 0.487"/ 0.406").







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And they are interchangeable...

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Many thanks in that case...... great.....

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Fascinating! Never knew that. A lot of suppliers just say 'oil pump suitable for 350, 500 & 650 unit construction' which aligns with JH's comment.

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Yes, Peter, I gather the oil pumps are interchangeable but gotta believe the latest two valve pump, or using the four valve pump by maybe grinding the timing cover to allow a proper fit, has to be the best way to go.

Not sure the four valve pump will fit the unit 500cc bikes though.

But what do I know.

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Any modifications needed to the crankcase to allow for the larger scavenge and feed ports of the later pumps?

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As far as I know Irish Swede, no, none... enlarging the feed holes would reduce the pressure when the pump plunger was enlarged to increase it......

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Yeah like a lot of Britbike things, there is a ton of subtly and I thought the same till I started measuring pump plungers!


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