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Posted By: GrandPaul Rod & Tappet - Anything goes? BMW? - 01/07/18 12:55 am
It's not British, but it's a nifty classic, and I believe it'll have a bit of interest for many of the members here.

My best friend, Nacho, passed away last May, leaving his '71 BMW R75/5 in my shop for a refurb that never got started due to lack of funds.

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After helping his widow liquidate his RC collection and some other stuff, I made her an offer for the bike and she accepted it. Poor thing had been in a major head-on collision and the frame had been bodged into semi-rideable shape before he bought it. I always thought it looked hunchbacked, and with good reason!

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Note the welded in steel plate, and the remaining misalignment of the main tube! Also note buckled downtubes. You can't see the severe sledgehammer beating they gave the frame to beat it "mostly" back into alignment...

Anyway, it's basically done with a replacement frame, replacement rear gear unit, and a bunch of new rubber parts and driveshaft shear bolts. Just need to properly flush the gas tank and install new petcocks, and I'll be out in the breeze (and the weather is PERFECT)

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Like I said, not British, but it'll do...
Posted By: Kent Shaun Re: Rod & Tappet - Anything goes? BMW? - 01/07/18 11:21 am
Grand Paul lad, let us get one thing straight here, this is the *Pub* and on a club night down the pub, we just don't talk about BSA's. They usually start the conversations off, but I can assure you, it's not all about bikes of that make. So WHY would the Rod & Tappet be any different..? Why lad, we've even been know to post photos of FOOD on here... :bigt

So post away my man, that's a great looking machine you have there, can't wait for the photos of it out on the road, I got my Guzzi in a same sort of way. Widow selling my dead mate's stuff, I always feel he's riding with me. Strange but true, enjoy it lad it's done you proud... :bigt beerchug
Posted By: Doc_dup1 Re: Rod & Tappet - Anything goes? BMW? - 01/07/18 2:42 pm
Great bike, the slash five BMW's are some of the best bikes BMW ever made. I was on a serious hunt for one a few months ago. During that search, I stumbled on a Granada Red R60/2 and bought that. As soon as the checkbook heals, I will be searching for an R75/5 just like yours. Enjoy it!

Doc
I'll just leave this here...

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Posted By: Lannis Re: Rod & Tappet - Anything goes? BMW? - 01/07/18 3:31 pm
Went with a friend to help buy this:

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I rode it for him. Lovely smooth old bike. Wish it were mine. $3000 he paid.

Lannis
Posted By: GrandPaul Re: Rod & Tappet - Anything goes? BMW? - 01/07/18 3:37 pm
Thanx, fellows.

My first ride will be to his widow's house, to offer her two older kids rides (and her, if she would)
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Our very own JD, seen above on his R75 /5 - photographed on our Airheads to The Adirondaks ride a few summers ago. This a bridge crossing state lines, he is headed back into New York State from Vermont.
Originally 3 R100RSs, 2 Last Edition 1984 models plus my 1993 RS-

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but one guy had to bug out, so it was the 3 of us left:

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Crashed & totaled that 93 R100RS, a couple years back... this is the current Airhead in my "stable", a lovely 1989 model R100RS... A Canadian Import bike with a high compression motor and the speedo in kilometers, rather in miles per hour...

Seen here at last summer's R100RS40 event, a private gathering celebrating the 40th anniversary of the RS:

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and seen also on last summer's tour of local covered bridges:

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Nice bike Tom!
Posted By: GrandPaul Re: Rod & Tappet - Anything goes? BMW? - 01/07/18 11:21 pm
Man, I dig the little green boxer.
GrandPaul, maybe you or one of the other BMW-owning Britbikers could answer a question (or two) for me. I have been searching the Net for fork gaiters that will fit my Ceriani roadrace forks, but without any luck. Most gaiters these days clamp around the fork tube at the top (a la Commandos), unlike the classic British style as seen on dry frame Triumphs and BSAs (those gaiters are too short for my purposes). I have 52mm OD diameter alloy adapter rings (which I really want to use) that clamp around the 35mm fork tube right under the lower tree and thereby allow the fitment of gaiters that are 52mm ID both top and bottom. I read somewhere that the 11-pleat BMW fork boots are 52mm ID both top and bottom, but I haven't been able to verify this. Any chance anyone could check on this for me? The overall length of the (uncompressed) gaiters would also be valuable knowledge. I am not sure what the story is on the 13-pleat gaiters, but it would be nice to know on those, too. Thanks, and sorry for hijacking the thread!
Posted By: GrandPaul Re: Rod & Tappet - Anything goes? BMW? - 01/08/18 8:16 pm
All I know for sure is that the ones I replaced, and the new ones, are both narrow on top and clamp to the stanchion tubes, and wide at the bottom to clamp to the lower leg tops.
Posted By: Dave M Re: Rod & Tappet - Anything goes? BMW? - 01/08/18 10:16 pm
Did someone mention the R60?
I’ve owned this 68 for 3 years.

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Posted By: Lannis Re: Rod & Tappet - Anything goes? BMW? - 01/08/18 11:54 pm
Originally Posted by Dave M
Did someone mention the R60?
I’ve owned this 68 for 3 years.

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One of the things I would love to do is to take one of those down the road about 20 miles on a twisty road and then back on a highway ... and then do the same thing right away on a Guzzi V700. Always wanted to compare the ride, pull, etc of those two icons from my youth!

Lannis
Posted By: GrandPaul Re: Rod & Tappet - Anything goes? BMW? - 01/09/18 1:43 pm
Originally Posted by Lannis
One of the things I would love to do is to take one of those down the road about 20 miles on a twisty road and then back on a highway ... and then do the same thing right away on a Guzzi V700. Always wanted to compare the ride, pull, etc of those two icons from my youth!

Tell you what I'll do: I'll do something like that on my R75, then I'll immediately run the same route on my '74 Guzzi Eldorado (I'll take the sidecar off first).

I'll report back (but it probably won't be 'till March or April)

The Goose has a front disc brake, and a 100cc advantage, but otherwise quite similar...
Posted By: craigw Re: Rod & Tappet - Anything goes? BMW? - 01/09/18 3:13 pm
I have always liked things that start with B. BSA, BMW, Boob.....never mind.
My last major every day ride was a R75-6 purchased used for under 1000.00 US. The odometer gave out at around 150k plus miles and I still rode it for at least 5 more years on a regular basis. Stopped riding it when my knees gave out and stored it correctly in dry storage. One of these days I would like to strap the sidecar on it and use it for a everyday rider again. I have always done regular maintenance on everything I own and I do not doubt the Beemer it will go 200K plus miles with no problems. Great well built Bikes.
Originally Posted by GrandPaul
All I know for sure is that the ones I replaced, and the new ones, are both narrow on top and clamp to the stanchion tubes, and wide at the bottom to clamp to the lower leg tops.

Well, phooey. Thanks for that info, GrandPaul. Maybe what I read about both ends being 52mm is incorrect.
Posted By: bodine031 Re: Rod & Tappet - Anything goes? BMW? - 01/09/18 5:25 pm
JC I have used these last year in 39mm. Custom Chrome a HD aftermarket source. Their # 632802 182mm long & 35mm x 60mm these are black, there is another # for red
Posted By: Lannis Re: Rod & Tappet - Anything goes? BMW? - 01/09/18 5:27 pm
Originally Posted by GrandPaul
Originally Posted by Lannis
One of the things I would love to do is to take one of those down the road about 20 miles on a twisty road and then back on a highway ... and then do the same thing right away on a Guzzi V700. Always wanted to compare the ride, pull, etc of those two icons from my youth!

Tell you what I'll do: I'll do something like that on my R75, then I'll immediately run the same route on my '74 Guzzi Eldorado (I'll take the sidecar off first).

I'll report back (but it probably won't be 'till March or April)

The Goose has a front disc brake, and a 100cc advantage, but otherwise quite similar...


Thanks! and comparisons are always good, but I DID ride an R75 and my Eldorado back to back. Those bikes are a generation ahead of the four-speed V700 and the Earles-forked /2 BMWs ....

Lannis
Posted By: Kev. Re: Rod & Tappet - Anything goes? BMW? - 01/09/18 7:49 pm
having owned a few BMW's R50/2, R60/6, R65, R80St, R1150GS, and an R1200GS, and also a few Harleys, WL750, FL Panhead, FLH 1200 shovel, 1340 dyna, and a sportster. And also a couple of gooses, an V-750 Ambo, and my present V-850 Eldo, I can honestly tell you, a goose sits firmly in the middle, somewhere between the R60/5 and the Shovelhead, but having never owned an R75, that may well be a little closer. I did find that the BMW's are a little revier, and the gooses have the worst gear change.
I would love to own another R60/6, I would dearly love to own another 1200 FLH shovel, but only if I can also keep my 73 850 Eldo...

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Oh and GrandPaul, nice beemer by the way, you have done your friend proud.
Posted By: raf940 Re: Rod & Tappet - Anything goes? BMW? - 01/09/18 8:45 pm
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heres one 1969 R69 as i recall I refurbished for a guy a couple of years ago HE bought it new as student in Germany and road it all over Europe and came home to USA with it and it sat in a chicken coop for a long time...i gave it a fine tooth comb going over and it turned out pretty good he was happy
Posted By: GrandPaul Re: Rod & Tappet - Anything goes? BMW? - 01/09/18 8:50 pm
Originally Posted by J. Charles Smith
Well, phooey. Thanks for that info, GrandPaul. Maybe what I read about both ends being 52mm is incorrect.

Could be the info is correct for OTHER models. Mine is an R /5 series; very similar from I believe 70-96.
Posted By: ricochetrider Re: Rod & Tappet - Anything goes? BMW? - 01/09/18 10:40 pm
Well, I once rode a hopped up Ambassador (or some mid 70s Guzzi... damn thing nearly threw me off tieback of it when I popped the clutch!

ANd, I've ridden Dave's R60. My. buddy's Guzzi was a beast, didn't seem the least bit the lumbering beast, and boy it was FAST. Dave's R60 is a plodder, but very steady- dead-steady, stay exactly where you put it. Not so fast but it'll definitely do whatever you make it do. I was kind of tossing it about a little, just to see if it could get nimble... It never did feel too nimble but it responded reasonably well to my input. Felt like it could go on forever at 60 MPH.

BMW's shifting has always been clunky. I "pre-load" the shift lever with some pressure before I pul in the clutch lever, and it makes a huge difference in how smoothly the bike shifts. I do this on my more "modern" Beemer, and was doing it on Dave's older one. Kev, you might try this on the Goose, maybe it''ll help out.

One additional bonus in preloading the shifter: It won't pre-load of you're in top gear- nothing there. So you know right away when your in 4th or whatever.
Posted By: RF Whatley Re: Rod & Tappet - Anything goes? BMW? - 01/11/18 11:49 pm
I owned an R60/6 back in the late 70's which was really enjoyable. When it came time to get another distance bike, about the only thing of interest to me was a period R100. Easy to ride, easy to fix, BMW still makes all the parts. What's not to like ?

Now here's a strange story.... I was reading on one of the interwebs last August about a recall on pre-1981cast front wheels. I thought, that's interesting, my bike falls in that year range. So I went and checked, and sure enough my front wheel had never been replaced by a dealer. So I called the USA BMW Warranty Center and caused a real commotion. The recall was from 1984 which pre-dated both general computer use and BMW's computerized database. They had to call me back after they'd had time to manually find a copy. Long story short, they honored it. Sent a brand new wheel from Germany and directed me to a local dealer. On the prescribed day I drove the bike to the local BMW dealer, and they installed and balanced a new cast wheel, with all new bearings, seals, axle, inner tube, etc at zero cost to me. I had taken a new tire with me, but expected to at least pay for grease and the inner tube. Nope, the bill was zero. The dealer showed me the final bill and it was well over $1000 at dealer prices. He also told me, at 38 years it was the oldest warranty claim work they had ever done.

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Posted By: SteveM Re: Rod & Tappet - Anything goes? BMW? - 01/13/18 12:52 am
While I love British and Italian motorcycles, BMW holds a special place in my heart.

When I was very young, newly married and a junior sailor in the Navy I bought a 74 BMW R90/6 to replace my worn-out Honda CL350. The BMW was the only transportation that I had for three years. In addition to serving in the NavyI was attending college at the time. That BMW felt like a Rolls Royce after the 350 and never let me down in the three years of commuting every day. I also made numerous weekend trips with shipmates during that period, which happened many, many times; sometimes leaving in the morning just after sun-up and not returning until sun-down. The bike hung in there. I just don't think there was any other bike that I would have wanted to rely upon every day than that venerable machine.

I spent many days in the saddle of the R90 through every form of weather. Hot and humid, beautiful technicolor days and freezing evenings on the way back home. The bike clicked through my route like a Rolex watch. Rock solid in ride and in performance.

I own four BMW's today. One is, of course, an R90/6:

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Steve, Whatley...
great stories!

RF, not sure you're aware of it but BMW's USA Motorrad has a pretty terrible reputation as far as customer service, or customer care goes. As an MOA member I've heard many stories featuring sordid details and sad & negative accounts of peoples' experiences with them. Over the past few years they've had some problems with Ike's and stuff and seem to often just not give a millimeter on complaints and issues.

I'd like to copy and share your story if you don't mind. I won't mention your name or location- but this is awesome and it feels like a tale that should be told!
There's an MOA fac eb ook group page, an Airheads group page, AND an R100RS group page.

Maybe this needs to go out to all three, certainly the latter 2, in case anyone else needs their front wheel replaced? PM me of ya want rather than get into this here.
Posted By: Lannis Re: Rod & Tappet - Anything goes? BMW? - 01/13/18 5:02 pm
Originally Posted by RF Whatley
I owned an R60/6 back in the late 70's which was really enjoyable. When it came time to get another distance bike, about the only thing of interest to me was a period R100. Easy to ride, easy to fix, BMW still makes all the parts. What's not to like ?

Now here's a strange story.... I was reading on one of the interwebs last August about a recall on pre-1981cast front wheels. I thought, that's interesting, my bike falls in that year range. So I went and checked, and sure enough my front wheel had never been replaced by a dealer. So I called the USA BMW Warranty Center and caused a real commotion. The recall was from 1984 which pre-dated both general computer use and BMW's computerized database. They had to call me back after they'd had time to manually find a copy. Long story short, they honored it. Sent a brand new wheel from Germany and directed me to a local dealer. On the prescribed day I drove the bike to the local BMW dealer, and they installed and balanced a new cast wheel, with all new bearings, seals, axle, inner tube, etc at zero cost to me. I had taken a new tire with me, but expected to at least pay for grease and the inner tube. Nope, the bill was zero. The dealer showed me the final bill and it was well over $1000 at dealer prices. He also told me, at 38 years it was the oldest warranty claim work they had ever done.

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If I owned a bike and the company did me that way, I'd probably never buy any other brand. THAT's standing behind your product.

After dealing with Moto Guzzi, EVERYONE else looks good though. What a pain that company is ...

Lannis
Posted By: RF Whatley Re: Rod & Tappet - Anything goes? BMW? - 01/13/18 7:41 pm
Originally Posted by Lannis
If I owned a bike and the company did me that way, I'd probably never buy any other brand. THAT's standing behind your product.

After dealing with Moto Guzzi, EVERYONE else looks good though. What a pain that company is ...

Lannis


Well, in true Joel Chandler Harris / southern story teller style, I have not told every grizzly detail of this adventure. When I first approached the local dealer they told me, "No way !" flat out. That's when I called BMW USA. Apparently, BMW USA had zero information on the bikes we call Airheads. The last Airhead was sold in 1995, and their computer system only went back to ~1998. So there was a lot of sweet-talking going down on my side of the phone. I had to supply copies of the recall and the replacement part numbers to get the ball rolling. Once the guy saw that all the legwork had already been done, he graciously conceded. Then I had to supply photos of my frame and engine numbers, and photos of the wheel casting date. I got the idea he was glad to work on something besides Takata air bags for once !

Then I believe, when he looked at stocking data and saw they had several wheels on hand, but hadn't sold one in 20 years he figured this was a way to reduce surplus inventory and look good fulfilling recall work at the same time. It was downhill after that, and the dealership changed their attitude really fast.

Considering everything, I do feel really blessed. Used wheels on Ebay go for $600 and I was no mood for that. But neither was I in the mood for a catastrophic wheel failure either ! So it all turned out really good.

The date of death !

The wheel of death

The replacement wheel

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Posted By: Lannis Re: Rod & Tappet - Anything goes? BMW? - 01/13/18 8:07 pm
Well, that DOES sound a bit more like what Moto Guzzi has been doing to its customers concerning the 8-valve engine cam followers.

Moto Guzzi made 1200cc engines from 2008 - 2011 in two varieties - 8 valve and 4 valve (total valves in a twin).

It turns out that for ALL 8-valve engines in the Stelvio and Griso models, they improperly manufactured the cam followers, which were a "flat tappet" type.

The "DLC" (diamond-like carbon) facing on the followers that bore against the cam was not done correctly, and after a few thousand miles, the hard-facing would start flaking off (into the oiling system and HOPEFULLY into the filter screen but ...?), the cam and follower would start to erode, and the engine would start getting noisy. Often the DLC flakes had gotten into the bearings and the whole engine was trashed.

I had almost 40,000 miles on my engine before I heard about the problem. The normal engine half-life was anything from 4,000 miles to 10,000 miles; I don't think I've run across anyone in the Guzzi world who had as many miles as I did without trashing the engine.

So I had my engine taken apart and found that although the hard-facing was discolored from heat and close to destruction, non of it was missing and the followers were still intact.

Even though EVERY SINGLE ONE of these engines failed if run past a few thousand miles, and even though Moto Guzzi changed the parts to "roller tappets" so that it wouldn't happen in mid 2011, Guzzi would never admit that they had done anything wrong, and attributed every failure to user neglect.

BUT, they said, out of the goodness of their hearts and despite rampant abuse by the owners of just these models and years of bike (no others had this problem), they offered that if:

1) You took the bike apart at your expense

2) Took close-up photos of the damage and sent it to them

3) They determined that something didn't look right about it ...

THEN they would send you a repair kit, which you would install at your own expense (about $1000 at a dealer) that would replace the flat tappets with rollers.

Since mine hadn't actually come to pieces and destroyed the engine, they didn't want to do mine. I have to give my dealer credit for talking Guzzi into it; they worked with me very well.

On the side, Fay got tired of listening to Guzzi waffling and making my-wife-she ... and my-dog-it ... excuses for why they didn't want to make it right, and wandered into the showroom and picked out a new Triumph Trophy SE, and even though we got the Stelvio back and running better than ever, we're riding them both now ....

Lannis
Nice wheel Richard! Who did the warranty work?
Posted By: Kent Shaun Re: Rod & Tappet - Anything goes? BMW? - 01/14/18 8:09 am
And to round that yarn off Lannis lad, I *Loaned* that very Stelvio, then along with Mark (The Prospect) my son, we rode all over the East coast, along with Lannis & Fay. Went to Blowing Rock, had a wonderful ride of over 3000 miles. I broke the pannier lock on it, BUT the ride was So Darn good, Mark went and started the laborious process of passing he's motorcycle test... shocked

He's almost finished that test, and has the money saved up for his very first BIG bike, so me and him can ride to Poland, one day to visit his girlfriend's parents. So all that was possible due to the problems of them dealers... :bigt grin
I have only ridden one BMW, a 1960's 500 or maybe it was a 600?..It was smooth and very slow.....A good friend has a 71 750 he has owned for 25 years but hasn't been ridden in the last 10 years..The bike is on the work stand and I was recently helping him get it running..To me it was a strange mixture of sound and "funny" engineering...Surprisingly spindly forks and frame..The rear sub frame looks inadequate for a 250..Servicing the engine was easy .The usual odd European wiring..Never the less I found the bike interesting and considered buying it....But not...
Posted By: Lannis Re: Rod & Tappet - Anything goes? BMW? - 01/14/18 1:15 pm
Originally Posted by Kent Shaun
And to round that yarn off Lannis lad, I *Loaned* that very Stelvio, then along with Mark (The Prospect) my son, we rode all over the East coast, along with Lannis & Fay. Went to Blowing Rock, had a wonderful ride of over 3000 miles. I broke the pannier lock on it, BUT the ride was So Darn good, Mark went and started the laborious process of passing he's motorcycle test... shocked

He's almost finished that test, and has the money saved up for his very first BIG bike, so me and him can ride to Poland, one day to visit his girlfriend's parents. So all that was possible due to the problems of them dealers... :bigt grin


And one FINAL round-off of the yarn (I wasn't very clear about it), it was Moto Guzzi headquarters that was being a pain the royal arse about it; the dealer was wonderful, worked with us every step, and that's why we bought another motorcycle from them ... Moto Richmond, they are, purveyors of Triumph, Guzzi, Aprilia, and everything Piaggio ....

Lannis
Posted By: RF Whatley Re: Rod & Tappet - Anything goes? BMW? - 01/14/18 8:21 pm
Originally Posted by David in Atlanta
Nice wheel Richard! Who did the warranty work?

The work was done by Hourglass Cycles in Buford, GA... not becasue they helped in any way, but only becasue they were the closest dealer. Their initial message was a barrage of negatives.... that recall has expired... there's no more wheels... can't be done... and so on. Then after BMW USA called them it was.... glad to help... appreciate your business... you came to the right place... shocked

RicochetRider
is correct. I wouldn't buy a new BMW even if I won the lottery. After they are 5-8 years old, all the issues are understood and well-documented thanks to on-line resources. Then you can fix it and have a great ride.

The problem, as I understand it, is that BMW motorcycles used to be a separate division within the company. That was back when they were imported by Butler & Smith. Then the automobile division swallowed the motorcycle business, fired B&S, and took over everything. That's when the car-like designs of the 4-cyl, water cooled, K-bikes started showing up, and the vaunted German engineering "went to heck in a handbasket".

beerchug
Posted By: Lannis Re: Rod & Tappet - Anything goes? BMW? - 01/14/18 8:27 pm
Originally Posted by RF Whatley


The problem, as I understand it, is that BMW motorcycles used to be a separate division within the company. That was back when they were imported by Butler & Smith. Then the automobile division swallowed the motorcycle business, fired B&S, and took over everything. That's when the car-like designs of the 4-cyl, water cooled, K-bikes started showing up, and the vaunted German engineering "went to heck in a handbasket".

beerchug


I think I'm not remembering through rose-colored glasses that the old airhead BMWs (pre-absorbed-by-the-car-division) really WERE built differently from other bikes, and you could actually differentiate the quality and functionality from their American and Italian and Japanese competition of the day.

The beautiful paint, the distances they would run between rebuilds, their reliability really was higher than anyone else's in the day.

Today, our experience with our buddies on BMWs certainly doesn't say that. There are BMWs that have run a long, long way with no trouble, but there are many other brands that will do the same thing for (sometimes) half the money, and BMWs with failed rear drives and broken electronics populate every bike site ....

Lannis
Posted By: DavidP Re: Rod & Tappet - Anything goes? BMW? - 01/16/18 10:59 am
Originally Posted by ricochetrider


BMW's shifting has always been clunky. I "pre-load" the shift lever with some pressure before I pul in the clutch lever, and it makes a huge difference in how smoothly the bike shifts. I do this on my more "modern" Beemer, and was doing it on Dave's older one. Kev, you might try this on the Goose, maybe it''ll help out.

I need to try this on my K100rs. It simply does not wish to shift up into third until it's warm. Mind you it always shifts better when I hold out to at least 6K in each gear.
Doesn't help that I occasionally lift up with my right foot and wonder why it won't shift. laughing
Posted By: GrandPaul Re: Rod & Tappet - Anything goes? BMW? - 01/16/18 2:12 pm
hee hee Yeah, I got on the Beemer after it warmed up, kicked up the sidestand and started to brake it into 1st!
Posted By: GrandPaul Re: Rod & Tappet - Anything goes? BMW? - 01/16/18 8:18 pm
From Thursday Jan 11th- I took the gas tank down to the car wash and sprayed it out thoroughly, let it dry in the sun, then pounded on it with the palm of my hand to knock the last few flakes of crud off, then snaked a thin vacuum cleaner nozzle around the bottom and sucked out the remnants. Finally, dumped the old oil & filter, cleaned the sump pan, flushed the tranny, then refilled everything including the rear gear and driveshaft tunnel.

From yesterday 1/15 - Still waiting on the new battery, but the weather is supposed to get colder again tomorrow, so I popped the new petcocks on the bike, installed my backup battery, jump-started the bike and warmed it up, then made sure it would re-fire on the kicker, and off I went for a quick spin around the neighborhood.

The bike is quite cold-blooded, took 3 or 4 minutes on the choke till it would even nominally respond to the throttle positively.

Yep, it's an old boxer alright, pogo-sticking on and off throttle. FUN!

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Posted By: DavidP Re: Rod & Tappet - Anything goes? BMW? - 01/17/18 11:01 am
Originally Posted by RF Whatley

The problem, as I understand it, is that BMW motorcycles used to be a separate division within the company. That was back when they were imported by Butler & Smith. Then the automobile division swallowed the motorcycle business, fired B&S, and took over everything. That's when the car-like designs of the 4-cyl, water cooled, K-bikes started showing up, and the vaunted German engineering "went to heck in a handbasket".

beerchug

BMW was on the verge of discontinuing motorcycle production. The K bikes saved them. They actually had planned to build an opposed 4, but were beat to it by Honda. They couldn't be seen as copying, so they redesigned and we got the 'Flying Brick.'
It's pretty neat in some ways, you can do the top or bottom end with the engine in frame. However, the ease of maintenance of the R models is gone. Geez, I can't even get the battery out without removing the brain box, and don't even ask what has to come off to change the air filter.
They tell me that I should regularly grease the splines on the drive shaft (for some reason, the best grease for this is sold by Honda.) I'm NOT looking forward to this task With luck it can wait until I need a rear tire.
Mine has ABS brakes. I haven't been caught in the rain, so I don't know if they work. Apparently PO found it less expensive to send the control unit to some guy in Japan for repair than to buy a new one when it stopped working.
The fuel injection is nice, though. Flip the cold-start lever, thumb the button and it fires right up every time, as long as the side stand is up, ride away immediately.
Handles like a truck, but it will cruise all day at 80-100mph and accelerates like a turbine.
Posted By: DavidP Re: Rod & Tappet - Anything goes? BMW? - 01/17/18 11:15 am
Proper BMW riding attire.
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Posted By: GrandPaul Re: Rod & Tappet - Anything goes? BMW? - 01/17/18 2:51 pm
Tres chic!
Posted By: Lannis Re: Rod & Tappet - Anything goes? BMW? - 01/17/18 3:17 pm
Originally Posted by DavidP
Proper BMW riding attire.
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"Langlitz Leathers" has been selling these breeches for 70 years now ....

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They look as comfortable and practical as all get-out, and have been worn by cops and military riders for years with much satisfaction ....

... but I'm not a cop or a squaddie, and I've never come close to having the nerve to wear something like this out in public. I've never seen a pair on the road worn by a civilian, and I don't want to be the first. Strange, since I don't normally care much about what other people think, but there are limits and I've never known anyone else to cross that line either ....

Lannis
Posted By: GrandPaul Re: Rod & Tappet - Anything goes? BMW? - 01/17/18 5:12 pm
I never understood the purpose of the side flares...
Posted By: ricochetrider Re: Rod & Tappet - Anything goes? BMW? - 01/17/18 10:59 pm
Quite practical, really. You can store stuff in there.... loaves of bread, Kleenex,, a 6 pack, gauntlets, extra socks, a change of clothimg, kittens... it's endless.
Posted By: Lannis Re: Rod & Tappet - Anything goes? BMW? - 01/18/18 2:51 am
Originally Posted by GrandPaul
I never understood the purpose of the side flares...


They're so that when you sit down on the bike (horse, whatever), the pants don't "bind" on your thighs and crotch.

Lots of room for everything to be comfortable .... maybe not the kitten, though.

Lannis
Posted By: Kent Shaun Re: Rod & Tappet - Anything goes? BMW? - 01/18/18 5:50 am
Hey Lannis lad, will a Chihuahua fit in there, I could get me a pair, then take Harry the Bastard out for a ride... grin
Posted By: R Moulding Re: Rod & Tappet - Anything goes? BMW? - 01/18/18 6:33 am
I had an experience with a BMW rider recently that put me off the mark for good. Bike was fairly late model, 2000 and something and had a telelever fork. On checking it for a Warrant of fitness I found the telelever ball joint had a noticeable amount of movement along with a discernible knock. I brought the customer into the workshop and showed him explaining that the bike was going to fail the test. He explained that there was clearly nothing wrong with it as he had just been travelling at 160 kph and was still alive!

He left somewhat upset and later phoned and complained to the Boss that the WOF inspector (me) was looking for faults with the bike!

Rod
Posted By: DavidP Re: Rod & Tappet - Anything goes? BMW? - 01/18/18 10:46 am
Those leather jodhpurs look kinky.
Mine are wool, East German surplus.
Still need to find a riding crop to complete the ensemble.

With all the carjackings in town lately I might wish to carry my Luger as well.
Posted By: DavidP Re: Rod & Tappet - Anything goes? BMW? - 01/18/18 10:59 am
Originally Posted by GrandPaul


Yep, it's an old boxer alright, pogo-sticking on and off throttle. FUN!


That's one thing they solved with the Paralever rear end. Two U-joints, no hopping about on acceleration or shifting.
Posted By: Triless Re: Rod & Tappet - Anything goes? BMW? - 01/18/18 11:18 am
Good grief ! Please tell us your mail aeroplanes won't be making a visit to Guernica again !
Posted By: bodine031 Re: Rod & Tappet - Anything goes? BMW? - 01/18/18 3:25 pm
Going to be stupid better be tough!!!
Posted By: bodine031 Re: Rod & Tappet - Anything goes? BMW? - 01/18/18 3:27 pm
Kent, my male Chihuahua Max Biaggi loves riding in his carrier on the back of my 76 Airhead. They are coolass dogs!!!
Posted By: RF Whatley Re: Rod & Tappet - Anything goes? BMW? - 01/19/18 2:01 pm
Originally Posted by bodine031
Kent, my male Chihuahua Max Biaggi loves riding in his carrier on the back of my 76 Airhead. They are coolass dogs!!!


My parents (Road Rider couple of the year and BMW 100,000 mile award winners) had a small camper they towed behind their R100RT for years. On top was a plastic milk crate that held their sheltie, who went everywhere with them. I hadn't thought about that in years !
Posted By: RF Whatley Re: Rod & Tappet - Anything goes? BMW? - 01/19/18 2:15 pm
Originally Posted by DavidP
Those leather jodhpurs look kinky.
Still need to find a riding crop to complete the ensemble.
With all the carjackings in town lately I might wish to carry my Luger as well.


While leather jodhpurs, riding crop, Luger, and a monocle could gain you instant notoriety at some roadside stops, it might get you killed at others.

Just saying !
Posted By: Lannis Re: Rod & Tappet - Anything goes? BMW? - 01/19/18 4:31 pm
Some years back, here in our little Virginia county, one of the churches called a preacher who had spent 5 years preaching down in a little town in the Argentine Pampas, about 40 miles from a town called "Mercedes", but right out in the country, where most of the people did cattle ranching and there were still a lot of traditional old-timers.

While he was there, he started wearing the traditional gaucho outfit, because a lot of his church did.

When he came here, he didn't change. Matter of fact, he was here for 2-1/2 years, and although he wore "normal" shirts, ties, and jackets, he ALWAYS wore his gaucho pants, belt, and boots. Every day.

I asked him about it ... "How come? Looks just a bit affected, don't you think?" and he said "First of all, it's a great conversation starter. And second, these things are SO loose, airy, and comfortable that if a guy starts wearing them, he can't stand being bound up in anything else!"

Pants like these, more like the guy on the rightmost side is wearing:

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He had a very nice broad silver-mounted belt and a pair of very soft, tall boots that went with it ....

You can't buy those things here. I've tried ... !!

Lannis
Posted By: RF Whatley Re: Rod & Tappet - Anything goes? BMW? - 01/24/18 2:06 pm
Never confuse a Gaucho with Groucho.

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Posted By: JD Re: Rod & Tappet - Anything goes? BMW? - 01/28/18 2:59 pm
Tom, that was a blast, riding up to New York! It's one of my fondest motorcycle memories. I put 1500 miles on the /5 that weekend. Here it is, loaded up at my house in Maryland before the off.



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