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Posted By: Peter R New 650 Norton - 11/24/17 10:00 am
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-bikes/2017/november/norton-650-scrambler-supersport/

Take a look at this, the all new Norton 650 twin, it may become a competitor for the new Enfield twins or the Ducati scrambler, or the newly introduced Benelli twin.
It is becoming crowded in that particular market segment.
What do you think of this new Norton ? Opinions please.

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Posted By: Jon W. Whitley Re: New 650 Norton - 11/24/17 12:55 pm
I think it's too modern to try and fit in the retro style tank. IMO, the two do not go together and they are adding retro to appeal to not totally sure exactly but have some possible ideas. Other than that, good for them.


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Posted By: Al Eckstadt Re: New 650 Norton - 11/24/17 1:15 pm
I think the Duc Scrambler does a better job at mixing new tech with their traditional look. The Norton is not a retro bike like the RE Interceptor/Continental and looks like it will cost more than double the RE's. I don't profess to be knowledgeable about new motorcycles. I find them interesting but am not moved by them. I didn't know about the Benelli's - I like the 500 Leoncino's looks more than the Norton. I imagine the Norton will be a much better bike than any Qianjiang Benelli.

The market is getting crowded. Honda and Kawi have retro style bikes also, but with larger displacements, which may make them more attractive to some.
Posted By: Don Leaming Re: New 650 Norton - 11/24/17 1:22 pm
The Norton logo looks so out of place on this thing. From the side it looks like a modern Ducati that lost a cylinder.
Posted By: Simon Ratcliff Re: New 650 Norton - 11/24/17 1:39 pm
Judging by all the problems with the 961 I can't see any of the competition getting overly concerned. I wonder if they've done any testing on this one or are they going to leave the R&D to the customers - again.
Posted By: ricochetrider Re: New 650 Norton - 11/24/17 2:35 pm
I'm more than a little bored with the faux-scrambler thing. The new Norton definitely perpetuates this, although the market must be strong enough or would companies be intro'ing "scramblers" still?

The main problem I see with these bikes is they really only have the "look" and can't measure up in the dirt. Well, that is- far as I know. I've seen a lot of ride reports from people riding all over the world and if anyone has done any serious dirt or adventure riding on a modern scrambler, I've missed it.

This one ticks and misses multiple boxes at once! Nice try tho perhaps too little, too late? If Norton can sell these then good for them but they won't be selling one to me.
Posted By: Al Eckstadt Re: New 650 Norton - 11/24/17 4:12 pm
The engine developement is that it is "half" of the V4 they are currently working. I only just read that this morning.
Posted By: KC in S.B. Re: New 650 Norton - 11/24/17 5:21 pm
I guess I missed something,.............. Where is the Norton part?
Posted By: Dibnah Re: New 650 Norton - 11/24/17 5:55 pm
Bizarre styling, as with most modern bikes. Perhaps it's me!
Posted By: HawaiianTiger Re: New 650 Norton - 11/24/17 6:56 pm
Wow, they screwed up the styling on that thing big time. There are really no two lines that compliment each other. A perfect study in how not to style something.
I think I could correct it while not affecting the function much. But, what the hell is that chrome thing in the middle with the Norton logo on it? Is that a clutch or an air filter?
While studying this thing for about 30 seconds, I found numerous unequal polygons that have no rhyme or reason, and not a single flowing line. I suppose it's an engineers wet dream......
Cheers,
Bill
Posted By: Ob1quixote Re: New 650 Norton - 11/24/17 10:30 pm
Gonna have to do a lot on the ergonomics of that bike to be able to one thing that is very important in the dual sport/adventure world.
Being able to stand on the pegs.

Wonder what it weighs?
Posted By: Peter R Re: New 650 Norton - 11/26/17 8:51 am
So it seems to be that most of the replies were negative, and I fully agree. This new Norton is not m cup of tea either. I doubt if it would perform well in off road conditions. Personally I prefer the Ducati scrambler, although the one in normal road trim without the knobbly tires.
Many so-called scramblers are never used off road in this part of the world, since the possibilities for off road riding are very limited here.
Posted By: SteveM Re: New 650 Norton - 11/26/17 1:39 pm
Originally Posted by Dibnah
Bizarre styling, as with most modern bikes. Perhaps it's me!


No, it's not just you. Perhaps I've spent too many hours looking at original classic bikes but the "modern" styling just looks plain goofy to me.

This bike seems to have borrowed many styling features from hipster bob-jobs. Short ironing board seats with diamond pattern uphostery, bobbed off mudguards, knobby tires, half-cafe half-scrambler looks.

They are styling for the youth market of today. I can't blame them though.
Posted By: Jon W. Whitley Re: New 650 Norton - 11/26/17 11:31 pm
Originally Posted by SteveM

This bike seems to have borrowed many styling features from hipster bob-jobs.



You definitely nailed it. It was what immediately came to my mind too but didn't want to throw that out there right off the bat. Basically, the target buyer is the skinny jeans wearing, $1000 hip leather jacket, short on top with sideburns neatly groomed, sporting a "soul" patch hipster who would slap a PBR sticker on the tank to let fellow hipster badass wannabes know he's one of them.


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Posted By: Fetch Re: New 650 Norton - 11/26/17 11:48 pm
Marketing to Hipsters.......There's no precedence for such foolishness?
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Posted By: Peter R Re: New 650 Norton - 11/27/17 10:02 am
Originally Posted by Jon W. Whitley
slap a PBR sticker


Maybe I live under a rock, but what does PBR stand for ?
Posted By: Rich B Re: New 650 Norton - 11/27/17 10:34 am
PBR - Pabst Blue Ribbon, a beer that is fashionable in some circles.

And while some may like it, I would rather drink paint thinner instead.........
Posted By: kommando Re: New 650 Norton - 11/27/17 12:37 pm
I would just like to remind people that when Stuart Garner was waiting for the first 961 to be made, to fill in time and use the Norton brand he stuck Norton onto a line of prams. Luckily it failed and went bankrupt but even though he is employing people who have designed and built some good bikes, Stuart pram-man Garner runs the show is likely to overrule the sensible ones at some point and produce a pile of poo and call it a bike.
Posted By: RF Whatley Re: New 650 Norton - 11/27/17 1:13 pm
Originally Posted by HawaiianTiger
But, what the hell is that chrome thing in the middle with the Norton logo on it? Is that a clutch or an air filter?


It's the clutch housing. The big design "thing" now is to have over-under shafts in the gearbox. (Pardon me, but didn't the Norton, BSA and Triumphs of the mid-60's always have this ? Oh yeah, that was before bike mags told us that horizontally split cases [and thus horizontally splayed gearbox shafts] was the best design.) This "new" design gets the bulbous clutch and clutch housing up high on the engine so that it's not prone to drag in tight spots, ala Harley Davidson.

The logo HAS to be prominent on the cover for one reason. It's well documented that the first thing any self-respecting hipster will do is re-paint the tank... thus destroying the Norton logo at that location. Therefore, the manufacturer MUST have a substitute logo standing by.... anonymity being the kiss-of-death for any start-up company.

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Posted By: ricochetrider Re: New 650 Norton - 11/27/17 2:07 pm
Originally Posted by Jon W. Whitley
Originally Posted by SteveM

This bike seems to have borrowed many styling features from hipster bob-jobs.



You definitely nailed it. It was what immediately came to my mind too but didn't want to throw that out there right off the bat. Basically, the target buyer is the skinny jeans wearing, $1000 hip leather jacket, short on top with sideburns neatly groomed, sporting a "soul" patch hipster who would slap a PBR sticker on the tank to let fellow hipster badass wannabes know he's one of them.


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well, 2 out of 5 people here are on new-sh bikes. True "hipsters" don't typically buy brand new bikes, They don't have the money.
The ones with the money, are beyond the "hipster" phase, even tho they might still dress somewhat in the fashion of the times and sport a beard. It's the hipster LOOKING guy (living in Brooklyn or Portland making that 6 figure salary) who has the real live 1000. jacket, actual hipsters bought that sh*t used at a flea market.

Of course people under 50 with money are indeed the motorcycle (& car, & everything else) buying public, so naturally, companies will ride the trends to sell product.
That's OK by me - I'm not their target market, and I'm not buying their bikes.
Posted By: Dennis B, R.I.P. Re: New 650 Norton - 11/27/17 3:52 pm
It never seems to end with the Norton name
the 50cc model Commando didn't sell well
but got great gas millage

Is that new thing a rotary? maybe that's
what that big round chrome thing is

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they may have copied my diamond tuck seat idea

Cheers
Dennis B
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