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how would a person ship a bike from USA to 'overseas'? how do title? how crate? what if i could not build crate? some of you'uns have probably done this before
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Never shipped overseas but have shipped several across the US.

Pretty much any motorcycle shop will gladly give you a crate. Some are better than others. But they are just trash after they take a new bike out.

But I was thinking there are companies that will come get the bike and do all the leg work?

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Here's some of the export requirements.
https://help.cbp.gov/s/article/Article-307?language=en_US

I was going to import a bike from Holland but the deal fell through.
Import/Export paperwork is a bit of a PITA.

Google for a vehicle exporter that a) deals with the country being exported to, and b) is near the port you would export from.


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looks like a lot of boo-row-crat-ick red tape with fed govt fingers in pie every step of the way SNAFU TARFU FUBAR FUBU BOHICA etc. etc.


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Yep.
If it's the Norton, because of the non-matching numbers be prepared for BOHICA x 3.


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Originally Posted by raf940
looks like a lot of boo-row-crat-ick red tape with fed govt fingers in pie every step of the way SNAFU TARFU FUBAR FUBU BOHICA etc. etc.

When shipping my bikes INTO the country, I paid a Broker at the port of entry $175 to expedite the paperwork and he dealt directly with the customs dudes.

If I were shipping OUT, I would do the same thing. The whole system is designed to be rife with bribery and chicanery and impossible-to-understand rules, so I'd suggest either paying the piper or selling it here .....

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now moot point australian bloke shied from shipping costs


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I have heard that Australian Customs won't allow anything in that contains asbestos. That means at the very least clutch and brake linings. Which raises the question of whether there is a cost difference between importing a whole bike and importing a crate full of parts.


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Wow, you can cuss in a foreign language and get away with it. Cool.


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There are bureaucratic rules in the exporting country and bureacratic rules in the importing country. These rules also vary between countries. That is why you use a broker as Lannis advised. They know the rules, That's their job. This is one area where cheap DIY doesn't work.

You can also look at the economics of it all. The basic cost of moving one motorcycle between countries is much the same as moving 3 or 4. That opens up lots of possibilities.

So it's simple raf940, talk to a broker. There are no short cuts. There are brokers who specialise in moving automotive stuff around the world. As for your concerns about "title". That appears to be something peculiar to the US. I've asked on here for an explanation of 'title' but never got an answer I can understand. I still don't see how you can be a legal owner without a "title" or how you can live in one State and claim a "title" in another. Let's just put it down to some weird US thing that no one else will ever understand.

And for sammysnails concerns, its been illegal to import asbestos or asbestos containing products in to Australia for donkeys years. This is not a new thing.. The easiest response is to get your bike or whatever certified asbestos free before trying to import it. This is certainly a service offered in the UK. I don't know about other countries.

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As for your concerns about "title". That appears to be something peculiar to the US. I've asked on here for an explanation of 'title' but never got an answer I can understand. I still don't see how you can be a legal owner without a "title" or how you can live in one State and claim a "title" in another. Let's just put it down to some weird US thing that no one else will ever understand.

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It IS weird but it's not hard to understand.

Some states didn't require a title to prove ownership of an automobile until fairly recently, so a car that was bought and registered in one of those states will only have a registration document and a bill of sale to prove ownership.

I can live in Virginia and own a car that has a North Carolina title if I have a bill of sale proving that I paid for it. HOWEVER, I can't register it to use it on the road until I have the title transferred to me, in Virginia, so that I have a Virginia title.

I can buy a car in North Carolina, with a North Carolina title, and the owner can sign the North Carolina title saying that he sold it to me for $X. It can stay like that for years UNTIL I want to buy license plates to use it in Virginia.

However, I can sell the car to someone from Maryland if I want without ever getting a Virginia title ... the Maryland buyer can take the North Carolina title to his Motor Vehicle Office and get the title transferred to him, and have a fresh Maryland title.

All that being said, if I were an overseas buyer of a US vehicle, I would demand that the seller have a clean title from HIS state in HIS name, and a matching Bill of Sale with it. Here, though, just between buddies, I wouldn't need that ....

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>> That appears to be something peculiar to the US.

Commonwealth countries have bureaucratic symmetry.
The British Empire's model used the 'common law' concept to baseline a variety of cultures.

Part of the U.S. proposition is the 'local option'.


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Hi; I do not want to export anything I want to send one of my Triumph to USA to ride there then send it over here again. Now seems that the ships that come down here are less and I do not know what exactly I need to send it over there then fly to say Miami and go to the port to pick it up and ride. I see that many Euro guys that I see passing here by new bikes or big trucks do that crossing to USA or even México and then ride all over America. At least before the borders were closed.

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Crate constuction is important! No foreign bugs! I shipped 8 bikes into the Uk 10 years ago, then the twits didn't open the container. Use OSB sheeting, heat pressure treated so bug free. Use pressure treated lumber cut into 1x2 strips. A crate 48" long, 24" wide, 30" high. Take the front end off and bars. Fit a '78 Bonnnie and a '82 Yam 650. NO oil or gas. 2"x4" feet on the crate will allow a fork lift to move. Screw the crate together but hinge the top for inspection at Customs. This way the shipper can stack stuff, you only pay for 20 cubic feet of space. Pad the bike and parts. Much less chance of damage and bits missing in a proper crate!

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I figured if the crate was good enough to ship a $25,000 Harley it’d be good enough for anything I shipped.

YRMV…..and that’s a good thing.

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10 years ago I bought 2 land Rover 300tdi engines through a friend in Wales. He built crates from marine grade plywood and lumber but when the shipping agent saw them he said no go. Any wood used in overseas shipping has to be certified bug free and have a brand that proves it. He then found 2 metal cages that fit the bill and shipped them. When they hit the port in New Jersey customs then had them trucked to a warehouse where they were x rayed to determine the contents (in a metal cage remember) then trucked back to the port for pickup by the carrier. Without a shipping agent handling the details I don't think I ever would have gotten them.


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...my point is that there are a plenty that are send AS a rider so when the ship arrives somehow the rider can pick up the bike and continue with the trip so oil and others fluids are in the bike.

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I've shipped a bike for my own use to Australia three times. First time as part of a group of five went off with out a hitch (shipped to and back from Melbourne). Second time to Perth with one other bike got some hassle from customs over cleaning (wanted bikes steam cleaned) but ultimately resolved. Third time to Sydney alone and a near disaster. Customs inspector got all tweaked about use of wood for crating, had to purchase a "carnet" (refundable $3000 bond ) to assure bike would not be left in Australia, Australia customs adopted a new computer system the day I was to pick up the bike and it crashed badly. An Australian friend managed to intercede on my behalf and everything ultimately worked out. Gas had to be removed from the bike prior to shipping but oil was not a problem. My experience would indicate it not only matters what country you are shipping to it also matters where in that country. It is an expensive extravagance to ship a bike for your own use but my wife and I loved the experience of touring Australia on our own bike. I'm thinking of maybe shipping a BSA to New Zealand in a few years for the international rally there.


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Hi Slow learner; I am very interested. I wanted to send mine due to rent a bike in USA is way expensive (too much money for 2 - 3 months) also no old iron to rent...
1-What about when you arrived there to pick up the bike? I mean; after the paperwork how did you picked up the bike? Did you had gasoline with you?
2-What paperwork did you need? Was the same in all the ports?
3-Is not clearly if you sent the bike into a crate or not?

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I'm sure there are several (or more) of us here in the states that that would LOAN you a motorcycle to ride around on. With my insurance you are covered as long as you have permission to drive it.

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I'm sure there are several (or more) of us here in the states that that would LOAN you a motorcycle to ride around on. With my insurance you are covered as long as you have permission to drive it.

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reverb - It's a huge amount of trouble getting your own bike here and back home, especially as you have described the horrific bureaucracy at home to us several times. You might be able to get your bike here to the USA, but will you be able to get it back to the South Cone?

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Hi Bill;
great offer but still think that is a huge responsibility to use a bike that belongs to a person and also that is not for a few days.

Hi Lannis; that is a good point but I do not see why they could not let me enter it again.
A problem now is the lack of ships coming so may be the cost is higher and the availability scarce or problematic.

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Hi Reverb, in all cases we were able to get enough gas where we picked up the bike to get us to a station. People at the shipping offices were very interested in the bike and our plans: they thought we were crazy. In Melbourne we had to visit the local Department of Motor Vehicles to get a permit to operate but they were very helpful and it took less than an hour to straighten things out. In all cases the bike was crated and I had to unpack it and repack it. Australian people are much more helpful than those you are likely to encounter in the US. You would need to know ahead of time what exactly is required to operate your bike on US roads. A knowledgeable and interested shipping agent will be essential. It is a lot of expense and hassle to arrange such an adventure but I have no regrets so far.


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