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i968 A65 imported from Germany a few years ago. As seen, the guard doesn't fit quite right. It did have a small sticker near the front lip (in German, now lost) which I thought might have been the maker/supplier. Perhaps not an original? Hoop stay could be longer than original? Any thoughts?

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is that metric sized tire? maybe lower profiles adds to the situation that bike prolly had a 3.25x19 Dunlop K70 i use that on my 68 A65 and gap is smaller


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It looks like a 18" wheel instead of 19"
The front stay looks completely wrong
The muddle stay should be parallel to the fork legs (should it be tubular?)
The mudguard is mounted too far back, the dents should be inline with the fork legs


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To me, without any measurements, that looks just about like what would be on a 68. US version anyway. Tire is way inappropriate for looks. A 350-19 K70 would be a vast improvement in appearance. Center flat brace would be parallel to fork leg.

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It looks like the front brace is too long. Do you have the brace bolted to the upper or lower bolt of the slider. Pull the bolt out holding the brace and rotate the fender ie, mudguard, so the notches line up with the slider contour. See if the brace can be relocated at the bottom bolt. If not the brace is too long, start looking for the correct item.


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leon bee- I think the flat brace is angled from the two mounting bolts. The tyre comment is noted.

bsalloyd- I am trying to establish what the front brace measurements should be with some stockists. The U brace is bolted to the lower bolt.

andy- yes, I've just had a look at some 68 model photos and it seems that they should be straight braces not angled. I'll explore this in more detail tomorrow (10.30pm here).

raf940- It's a Battleaxe 19" 3.25

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On a 1970 Lightning the front brace measures just under 10" using the points you provided with your sketch.

Hope this helps bring those center braces closer to parallel with the legs.


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It's the front wheel, not the fender.

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Hi D.Bacthel, thanks for your input, but the stay on your model is bolted to the front of the forks, mine is bolted to the lower bolt of the middle stay, so your U stay will be shorter, and a different part no.

I can't locate cranked middle stays so I suspect they might have been bent/distorted? I do know that this stay, despite it being thicker metal, is prone to cracking across the bolt hole due to vibration.

I'm going to have them off for a closer look. I do use nyloc nuts on these bolts so they don't vibrate loose.

I think with the straight (straightened) stays fitted the guard will go forwards to the correct postition and the U stay should pivot down to the correct angle.


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Those cranked stats are not standard. Someone has cut,welded and chromed them so everything looked like it fitted. The middle stays also look longer and this is perhaps part of the reason.

The recess in the mudguard should sit fairly central between the fork gaiters.

Replace the centre brackets and I reckon everything will start to line up fine.


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The center flat fender bracket needs to be parallel with the forks. The front fender stays bolts to the top hole on the fork tab.

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Wheel size notwithstanding, I believe the front stays on the 1968 BSA A50, A65L and A65T models should be tubular individual stays, used on a 6-tab front guard, at least on the US-spec models.
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Mine (mudguard) should be exactly like Gary E's, not quite as pristine though!

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Semprini,
Is yours a Spitfire model?


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It looks like a B44 front fender with the front stay added to me, although misaligned.

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Originally Posted by The Bonneville Shop
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Is yours a Spitfire model?

That makes no difference. It would and should still mount the same. The centre brackets have been cut and shut, replacing these will go a long way to fixing the problem.


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Dave at Bonneville shop has got it. Been too long since I sold my 68, and it was just as he has said. Trying a link to the old BSANSW collection:

https://www.bsansw.org.au/catalogues/1968-us-catalog/68p3/

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Semprini,
Is yours a Spitfire model?

That makes no difference. It would and should still mount the same. The centre brackets have been cut and shut, replacing these will go a long way to fixing the problem.


Don't think this is correct.

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Originally Posted by leon bee
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Semprini,
Is yours a Spitfire model?

That makes no difference. It would and should still mount the same. The centre brackets have been cut and shut, replacing these will go a long way to fixing the problem.


Don't think this is correct.


Let me qualify what I just said: I am looking at US market pictures and don't know about European BSAs. In the US I think Spitfire and Lightning had different fenders as Bonneville Shop is saying. I'd have to go across town to get a picture of my old original 68 Lightning, but it is set up with the 6 tab fender.

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Originally Posted by leon bee
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Semprini,
Is yours a Spitfire model?

That makes no difference. It would and should still mount the same. The centre brackets have been cut and shut, replacing these will go a long way to fixing the problem.


Don't think this is correct.

Which bit? If you draw a straight line down the long edge of the stay then there is an obvious kink where it meets the bolted section at the slider.

As for if a spitfire guard fits a Lightning, it does… I have one on mine. Started with the 6 tab (correct) guard changed it for the spitfire with correct stay but didn’t like the appearance so bought the 1970 front stay and made a bracket (copying the footprint off the 70 fork bracket - 70 type bent so I made a flat version) and mounted that which is still fitted 12 years later.


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The only '68 US models to use that style of front fender and front loop stay were the Spitfire and the Firebird Scrambler.

The only '68 US model to use shouldered alloy rims (Borrani) was the Spitfire. The OP's rim is a Borrani.

Th OP's image has standard pipes, not high pipes of the Firebird Srambler. As a result, I assume, unless added to another model, the bike is a Spitfire.

The OP's loop stay measurement is correct for the '68 Spitfire (& Firebird).

Fix or replace the center fender bracket, position it correctly, and the fender will be positioned correctly.


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It's a 1968 Spitfire Mk IV, exported to Germany in '68 and imported back in 2017. Engine no.SB 5846. Rear rim is a replacement ( I presume) Morad, front is a Borrani. My Mk 2 back in '67 had Dunlop rims.

Apart from the bars and tank, it looks identical to Gary E's.

On Saturday I will be removing the middle stays.

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Front fender looks like it hit a wall ... and the 2 flat vertical stays ,
that "should be parallel" to each front fork leg ,
Are bent back near 2 botton bolts ( dog legged )
( see how fender divots dont match fork legs .)... they are peeking out from behind the fork legs .
maybe the bike didnt hit a wall
and just went so fast ... that the Fender bent backwards .

remove the 2 flat stays ... (along each fork leg ) ( and loosen the other bolts )
and rotate the fender forward , towards the front of the bike ,
until fender divots are centered in the fork legs .
This will give you the Center to Center dimensions for the flat stays .

( if the fender looks good and centered and equidistant from the tire
, but too high off the tire , that's a different problem )

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Quinten- I will be examining all these points on Saturday. As mentioned, when a middle stay top bolt-hole fractures (which they can), it leaves only a third of the original width of the stay and for some reason results in it bending backwards. I know that one stay was split, didn't have time to get it welded but the new nyloc nuts and washers seemed to cure the bolts from loosening.

A friend had a '65 Lightning and he had same problems with this stay.

The gap between the fender and tyre is of course set by the stay lengths.


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It took an afternoon's work, but here we are-

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