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I have been following a fellow on YouTube .... Stuart Fillingham is his name, a UK based Enfield and Triumph rider.
Stuart has some alarming wake up calls for UK riders.

Apparently the UK government is about to introduce legislation that will make illegal ANY modification to a car or motorcycle that deviates from the ORIGIINAL manufacturer spec.. This will apply to new vehicles only ... so far.

For decades riders have customised their bikes for comfort, appearance and performance, these area's will become illegal if the legislation is signed into law. No more changes to seats, handlebars, wheels, tyres etc.

I don't know how many UK riders are aware of the approaching over reach by the government .... but the government are sliding this proposed legislation in " under the radar ".... if you are a UK rider, I will urge you to contact the motorcycle riders organisations in the UK and voice your opinion.

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"The DfT immediately confirmed that it is not the government’s intention to stop motorcycle customisation, modification and adaptation where this does not relate to the environmental performance or design speed of a motorcycle. The proposals are instead aimed at ensuring the motorcycles can no longer be legally modified to generate more pollution and in the case of electric motorcycles, cannot have software changes made to increase speed."

https://www.femamotorcycling.eu/anti-tampering-uk/

Not quite "No more changes to seats, handlebars, wheels, tyres etc.".


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Hey Hugh, thanks for your follow up, that does somewhat clarify some area's .... but, knowing how governments work, I will remain sceptical.

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The subject has been extensively covered by UK bike message boards/ faceache etc


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There's a reason we dumped all that tea into the ocean a few centuries back!

Let me state this first- I am not anti any nation. I am against over zealous reach of a few people in charge trying to run every minute detail of my insignificant little life.

Tyre size changes? By putting a larger size tire on you can change how fast it will go. Same with sprockets..... Change the bars and seat to accomadate a more wind resistant profile and more speed? Strike number two. I could go on, but the point is this: DON'T let them sink their teeth in with vagarities and things that don't apply TODAY. Tomorrow they will modify their law!

In the words of two elected officials - Ben Dover, Ann Takeit, "We're the government and we're here to help!"

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Originally Posted by BeezaBryan
The subject has been extensively covered by UK bike message boards/ faceache etc

And the conclusion from that extensive coverage was ...... ??

I really don't think it would matter much what they legislate. Already, here, it is illegal to modify your emissions system with an open exhaust, re-chipped ECUs, and it's illegal to modify your exhaust such that the sound exceeds the standards of a stock, approved exhaust.

And yet if you sit (like I did the other day) at the edge of town at a traffic light headed onto the open highway, having a bit of road food, you will see a HUGE number of jacked up (already illegal) pickups "rolling coal" with modified diesels with open exhausts, black smoke rolling in clouds, and a noise that no one can even talk over while they're within 500 yards.

And 50% of the motorcycles that come by are V-twin cruisers, with 2" open drag pipes blasting away at levels that are probably 10 times the allowed decibel level.

Yet I've never seen nor heard of anyone getting stopped and ticketed for any of that. It's not like the police would have to "test" your vehicle for compliance; the very cats in the street can tell that they are completely illegal from 100 yards away, with their eyes closed.

I'm not saying that it's good or bad or whether regulations should be in place or not. I'm just saying that legislating something means nothing at all unless it's enforced. And there is 0 enforcement today of those very same rules, anywhere I've been.

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Same situation as you describe exists here In Illinois, Lannis.

Those guys mistakenly think that open, straight exhausts make it "go faster."

I guess they never heard of BACK PRESSURE.

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Originally Posted by Irish Swede
Same situation as you describe exists here In Illinois, Lannis.

Those guys mistakenly think that open, straight exhausts make it "go faster."

I guess they never heard of BACK PRESSURE.

Well, I suppose if someone properly tuned the bike, I mean like optimizing cam timing, ignition timing, and fuel mixture to whatever length and diameter of pipe was being used, then it might have more power with open pipes than with stock ones.

I have friends here that I have known and ridden with since 1970, and every time they bought a bike from 1970 to about 2003, they wouldn't even think about bringing it home before they put a "slip-on" and a "jet kit" in it.... just for street cred. And since then, they make sure everyone knows it has a "chip" in it, the implication being it's now tuned up and faster than a plain old stock bike that the geeks might buy.

The really noisy ones are what I don't understand. Everyone hates them and complains about them, but the police NEVER touch them.

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Anytime anyone anywhere suggests legislation regarding anything there is someone who rings the alarm bell that life as we know or knew it is coming to an end and they ALWAYS are proven false!

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Seems like every aftermarket silencer I buy has a sticker on it warning that it is not legal for bikes made after some time in the 80's when EPA noise regulations set in. My A65 came to me with straight pipes. I waited until I installed glass and baffles before I rode it out of courtesy.
I still need to take my SPL meter out to the garage just to satisfy my curiosity.
UK regulations might be easier to enforce. Aren't y'all subject to annual inspections?


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In the UK the annual inspections are not required for historic vehicles, but you do have to tick a box saying its not been modified when you tax it.

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I quite look forward to the day when loud exhausts on modern bikes are really banned because then I will be able to roar up on my legal 67 and make everyone jealous!

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Some laws never get imposed, in Scotland its still compulsory to practice archery on a Sunday and golf and football are banned on Sundays, thanks to James the 1st who was fed up of getting thrashed by English archers. AFAIK these laws are still on the books.


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Originally Posted by Lannis
The really noisy ones are what I don't understand. Everyone hates them and complains about them, but the police NEVER touch them.
Lannis

That's because of probable cause restrictions and the fact that most, if not all, patrol officers are not equipped with the proper testing equipment.


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And a lot of the cops own noisy HDs themselves---

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i knew a guy in arizona with open pipes on hismachine. he was sitting at a burger joint one day when a cop came by and looked at his pipes. paused, then he took his pencil and stuck it up the pipes. took out his ticket book and started writing

my friend walked over.

what are you doing?

ticketing this bike for excessive noise.

but thats my bike. its not making noise. its not even running.

sonny, you got no baffles in them pipes. now you can sign this ticket now and ill be on my way, or we ll both sit here at this place until you have to go, and then you ll sign it. which do you want?

well, guess ill sign it . . .

so in that case it was an asshole cop with nothing better to do than bothrr people who wrote a noise ticket..


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Originally Posted by gavin eisler
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A complicated reign!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_I_of_Scotland

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Next thing you know they'll be be a law telling
everyone which side of the road to stay on .

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There's a young bloke with a Harley that makes his way up the street behind my place. It's a bit noisy and not terribly fast, but it brings his young brain some satisfaction. I see it as part of the charm of the neighborhood.

When I was the same age I used to ride up the very same street VERY fast, and on some occasions I used to ride various Nortons with megaphones and a BMW with straight pipes to the top of the hill and back again.

Whatever I may think about the mentality of older people who ride very loud bikes, its not my place to complain.

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Originally Posted by quinten
Next thing you know they'll be be a law telling
everyone which side of the road to stay on .


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RE: Kevin's story about the cop, mufflers and baffles:

The later Triumph mufflers were "straight through" absorbtion mufflers, with no internal baffles.
Cops would poke a stick into them, hit nothing, and write tickets.

Triumph's answer was to weld a small piece of rod across the inside so the stick had something to hit.

End of "poke," end of problem.

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Originally Posted by Irish Swede
The later Triumph mufflers were "straight through" absorbtion mufflers, with no internal baffles.
Cops would poke a stick into them, hit nothing…

And the Police Triumphs were as loud as everyone else’s.


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https://advrider.com/report-france-is-now-using-noise-cameras-to-target-noisy-vehicles/

I know of at least several attempts in SoCal some years back to enforce motorcycle noise regulations (they do exist). CHP would set up unannounced "noise traps" on weekends in heavily biked areas, and issue citations based on readings from their decibel readers. Didn't happen often, and I haven't heard of them again for years now.

I used to live on Ortega Highway, which on weekends especially sounded like Willow Springs. Had a neighbor down the road that actually had his own decibel meter, and would record bike noise levels for hours and send the results in to the local CHP station, trying to get them to enforce their regulations. They just ignored and dismissed him, though he tried for a long time. Don Quixote.

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Don't get me started. Light 'planes and helicopters generally make no apparent attempt at exhaust noise reduction. It can be done with helicopters, as the Blackhawks that occasionally carry out surprise night manoeuvers hereabouts are apparently very quiet. If my stepthru made as much noise as a Cessna I would be arrested. Grump grump grump.


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