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Hi all,

Could anyone recommend a UK supplier for the 'John Bull' type rubber tie straps that fit in various places on the pre-OIF A65 for securing electrical and control cables? Also what lengths do I need?

I've seen a few advertised but am always a bit wary on the quality of this kind of thing and it would be good if I could get your feedback please.

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RGM Motors in UK

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I know this doesn't answer your question. Just my input on the ties.

I have used several different sources (in the US) for John Bull rubber ties over the decades. I haven't yet found a source that holds up more than just a few years.


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Originally Posted by Gary E
I know this doesn't answer your question. Just my input on the ties.

I have used several different sources (in the US) for John Bull rubber ties over the decades. I haven't yet found a source that holds up more than just a few years.

Appreciate what you're saying Gary but what would you use?

I'm loath to use nylon tie wraps even though I have an abundant supply of them to hand. I've used them in the past and they have ended up damaging the paintwork after some time on the bike and they also just don't look right to me on a classic motorcycle.

That may sound a little irrational to some but I work as a Controls Engineer on automated machinery and I'm used to seeing the electricians use tie wraps on cable management systems and to my mind that's where they belong and where they look right. Anywhere else and they always seem like a bit of a bodge to me.

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I'm pretty certain zip ties are designed expressly for motorcycles wink


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The silicone rubber ties on eBay at the moment seem to be quite good. Extremely resilient to being over stretched and not tearing also.

Use the shorter ones for down tube sizes and where it’s a Little fatter tubing. Use the longer ones. An OIF spine is the limit For the longer ones.


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Seeing you are in the UK - RGM Motors. Google his store. Use john bull in the search window.

These are all new production using modern materials. Price is reasonable!

We have been stocking, and selling these since he introduced them.

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https://www.rgmnorton.co.uk/buy/john-bull-style-rubber-tidy-sample-pack_4858.htm
( link is to a sample pack , just one of the options )
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Hi Kev, I hear what your saying about the appearance, I have also looked into using these and availability. Other then being more vintage correct, I,m going with the black zap strap, because most of the electrical is already hidden by fuel tank and seat and unless you use a double john bull of right sizes, criss crossing the other and making a standoff of sorts then they will still cause vibration harness wear on the paint job. I,m looking at some thin gauge vinyl adhesive tape where ties unable to install, and use Double criss/cross zap ties to create a standoff of sorts between the frame mount sections and the wiring harness sections should make a clearance of sorts between both which will prevent some vibration and erosion contact with the paint job

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If you use the double eyelet rubber ties the cable is kept away from the frame. They form a figure 8 the smaller end around the cable and the larger loop around the frame.


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Originally Posted by Allan G
If you use the double eyelet rubber ties the cable is kept away from the frame. They form a figure 8 the smaller end around the cable and the larger loop around the frame.

Hi Allan,

I discovered this method while researching the tie strap subject. I like the way that these rubber ties hold the wiring harness to the frame using this method.

I found a couple of photos while I was looking around that show how it works.

Cheers,

Kev E

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Would love to know if there's a good supplier for these in the US. Shipping is tough right now from the UK.


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Originally Posted by Hugh Jörgen
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Originally Posted by Hugh Jörgen

Are they the RGM Motors brand?


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Originally Posted by Gary E
Are they the RGM Motors brand?
No.


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