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I have driven by this bike all spring and summer. It is located in upstate New York at a bar / bbq joint. It looks like a mashup of late 60s early 70s parts. The frame looks bent as well. It seems to be leaning a little more lately with all the rain. How and why do bikes get left out like this? I didn't go in and ask but the owner probably wants more than its worth. What a shame.

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Originally Posted by OriginalScott
How and why do bikes get left out like this? I didn't go in and ask but the owner probably wants more than its worth. What a shame.
Scott

I am now 52 and have been asking myself this same question since I was a teenager. If I saw this, I would definitely be stopping in to ask if it was for sale, or if it might be considered for sale.


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Its a certain mindset, that i have seen before. I think its the power of saying "no" to prospective purchasers that the owner has some sense of power or something.

There was an old Ariel on a farm near me and a similar situation happened. Guys would turn up and ask to buy the old bike in the barn, "NO" they would be told, no explanation or anything. By the time the old twit who owned it died, the bike was too rotten to do anything with and it was dumped in a scrap bin.

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Sometimes people have bad memories associated with something they own (like a motorcycle), and they just don't want to fool with it any more, not even fool with it enough to sell it. Maybe a deadbeat husband left it there, or a son who got killed, or it was stolen and beat up and the police got it back but they just don't want it after it was violated like that.

If that's the case, maybe showing up with CASH IN HAND (not a nebulous offer over the phone, but green money they can see) and a trailer out front would get it to someone who wants it more than the present owner.

OR it may be that the owner just enjoys having people come by and offer to buy it just so he can say "NO!". That's sort of perverse and annoying, but it's certainly their right; it's not like it's a child or an animal he's abusing or abandoning, it's just a machine.

Nowt queer as folk, as they say in Yorkshire.

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Originally Posted by Lannis
OR it may be that the owner just enjoys having people come by and offer to buy it just so he can say "NO!".


There is always the possibility that the owner never would have thought, or thinks that anybody might be interested in that old piece of junk. Weird to us but true for others.


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...here the problem are the papers; the title that is in the name of a defunct so no any possibilities to a bike in that condition, to reborn. Happened to me recently with a good 1949 T100. That motorbike will die there in that barn, alone; due to bureaucracy.

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Originally Posted by reverb
...here the problem are the papers; the title that is in the name of a defunct so no any possibilities to a bike in that condition, to reborn. Happened to me recently with a good 1949 T100. That motorbike will die there in that barn, alone; due to bureaucracy.


Not if that was here. You need to rescue it and worry about getting it sorted afterward.


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In some parts of the UK, the "recycling community" would get that bike back into the back of a van as if by magic.

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Originally Posted by reverb
...here the problem are the papers; the title that is in the name of a defunct so no any possibilities to a bike in that condition, to reborn. Happened to me recently with a good 1949 T100. That motorbike will die there in that barn, alone; due to bureaucracy.

As Jon said, not here. Even if the bike was abandoned in a field and you got legal physical possession of it (maybe the owner said "Just take it" or you found it in your own woods), you can get a title for it and get it back on the road without too much trouble ....

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In some parts of the UK, the "recycling community" would get that bike back into the back of a van as if by magic.


And they would tarmac your driveway for small money at the same time, Bass !

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This bike has interested me at times but it is just too far gone to use as the basis for any kind of restoration. The front downtube is bent which makes the frame junk. I'm sure it could be bent back into place but the bike is missing a lot of original parts. Maybe I will stop in and ask how much. I don't want to buy it though. So I would be one of those people just wasting the owners time. I was more curious how and why this bike ended up like it did. At some point it was somebody's bike.

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If you find out the price and it is not unreasonable then I will buy the bike.
Cant stand to see a Triumph just left around like that.
Where are you in NY?---I am in northern NJ.

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One man's dream is another man's nightmare. At a glance it looks like there is more useable stuff on it than unusable.


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Made me think of this in my warped mind;

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The bike is in Chautauqua County in Western NY. It is quite a haul from NJ. I will update with a price if I happen to find out. The bike has been there a while so I'm sure it either isn't for sale or the price is more than its worth.

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Hi Lannister, In USA the owner of a vehicle is always owner forever, unless vehicle is legally transferred to new owner.
Proving you were the legal owner is another issue.


Several cases of abandoned & many cases stolen vehicles both motorcycles & cars have come up lately.

You apply & get legal title. The rightful owner is actually still the owner since they didn’t legally release ownership.

The vehicle is returned to rightful owner no matter what. No matter how much you spent.

Police did vin search at the local collector car dealership. A bunch were found stolen/abandoned & restored. Rightful owners were contacted by police. Most rightful owners were happy to get cars & bikes back.

USA & California in particular is trying to reduce theft & abandoned vehicles. Especially strict on motorcycles.

Abandoned cars wrecked or stripped is huge problems in our area. They are dumped on side of road of pushed over the cliff. Huge experience to taxpayers for removal. 99% cut out vin! Many stolen so can’t call free recycling pick up.

Can you imagine heartbreak of getting your cherished bike confiscated with zero compensation.

We have to be careful with our purchases.
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Scott--at least if you go in and ask the question our thoughts on what ifs will be satisfied.

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Originally Posted by Tridentman
Scott--at least if you go in and ask the question our thoughts on what-ifs will be satisfied.


Or maybe Scott could provide the name of the business and maybe even a phone number, publicly or privately.


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Hi Mr Whitley; regarding this other bike; I am in the need of sell bikes not to buy a bike that cannot be ridden and is not cheap.

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Or maybe Scott could provide the name of the business and maybe even a phone number, publicly or privately.

Hartfield Bay Cafe
6040 East Lake Rd.
Mayville, NY 14757
(716)753-7711

I'm out that way on the weekends. I may still go in and ask about it, just to get the story.

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IME a face to face conversation is much better than a phone call.
You pick up the body language etc.
So, Scott, when you are in the area perhaps you could drop in and ask the question.to get the story--the background, preparedness to sell or not and if yes then a price indicator.
would be grateful for any feedback that you might get.

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You call that abandoned? There's not enough rust for abandonment. This is what I would call abandoned:

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License tag has a 1987 sticker. Been sitting outside in Virginia for a long time. Not a good environment for that. Recently bought by a friend who has a motorcycle repair shop. He is a collector/hoarder of old European motorcycles. He has a lot of them, so I don't see him getting to this anytime soon. Told me he paid $300 for it. People come to him looking to sell such junk all the time. He gets lots of motorcycles cheap and sometimes free. Looks like a very deep money pit to me. He said there was also another older Triumph there. He guesses somewhere in the 1950's model. He will probably end up with that as well.

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Rocketman, referring to the bike you have shown here:

The rear engine mount plates and the left side footrest show this to be a 1963 Bonneville - a RARE bike. The FIRST unit 650.

'63 was the only year that mounted the foot rests that way.

If the rear fender is original and un-cut, that too is rare, unique to only that year.

This is a rare bike, well worth restoring.

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Originally Posted by reverb
Hi Mr Whitley; regarding this other bike; I am in the need of sell bikes not to buy a bike that cannot be ridden and is not cheap.


Then, why even mention it? You know about it and are willing to let it sit there and rust away. I can't say I am impressed with your lack of motivation in rescuing this piece of history.

Update:

Fernando, I lined through the rather harsh statement I made, please accept my apology for being a bit jerky in the moment. smile

Maybe you could get pics of it and a contact for the owner of that machine and the last stated price in your currency? It may be able to be rescued from someone from abroad.


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