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I'm looking at buying a 1967 650SS Norton built up from Dunstall bits including an early twin disc front end. What is odd, the frame is stamped WTS-2 and is registered as such on the V-5.(UK bike registration). The present owner is a real nice guy and says he has heard this could stand for "Works Test Special - 2 " but freely admits he is unable to substantiate this. Could any of you please comment on this please, thanking you in advance for your comments.

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Could be but no proof its a frame with an odd stamp, there are multiple more times BSA works scramblers than ever really built by the BSA comp shop. Pay what a bike with a funny stamped frame with good V5c but no connection to a works team is worth.

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Looked at the bike today, very interesting. In addition to the neatly stamped WTS-2 on the left side plate near the frame tube we could see the original frame stamp in the normal location. As the frame has been powder coated it was a little hard to read but what we could see was as follows (?)230(not sure about the 0)55P, Once again ?23055P. I suspect with a bit of clean up the frame number will be clearly readable. Do these numbers translate to anything? Once again thanking you in advance for any and all comments

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Speculating before we know the number is a bit like guessing how long the string is - before seeing the string !
P at the end usually signifies it was Plumstead built.
At least that rules out Elvis somewhere in the equation ...?

Methylene chloride paint stripper will take most powder coats straight off.
Although you only have a short window to work with.
Heat (propane torch) works well too, but well ventilated is the name of that game.
Anything else is just hard work ?

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coded frame number could be 'What's This $hit' etc.

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Thank you for your comments. Rohan, good suggestion as to how to remove powder coating to read chassis number properly and I will do that as I've bought the bike and plan on picking in up on Monday, Once I've figured out how to post pictures will put up one of the bike and will update the chassis number follow up as well

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Got the bike home and riding it, great old bike in my mind. Resolving an oil leak from left side of cylinder head but once thats sorted will be riding the bike a fair bit this summer. Have made progress on the chassis VIN number but that will be for another post. Sorry about the poor sound quality in the vedeo.

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As an aside, that is a beautiful bike and sounds great!!


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I'm not sure that is an aside - thats the whole point to bikes !

And if its in the owners care and all paperwork satisfied, then all is good in the world....

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Letters in a false frame number have no requirement to stand for anything.

WTS could easily be someone’s initials, stamped and registered back when some registration offices would do things like that for people building a bike.

The guy in my local office offered (without being asked) to change my car number plate because it was a Northern Irish number and that could worry people in Scotland and England. After all, he knew I wasn’t a car thief or a pub bomber.


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Thrasher, I agree but why the WTS-2 , the -2 bit seems to infer it's not someone's initials As I mentioned the original frame number is partially visible under the powder coating. I can read all of them other than 2 I have to guess at and they are the same as the engine number so I strongly suspect it is a match re engine and chassis.

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William Tyrell Special 2nd restoration ?
And my apologies William if it wasn't actually you ....

Someone here was stamping frames TDS.
It transpires it was Triton Development Services.

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What is the engine number?

If the 2 is not a 2 but actually a question mark, it could stand for “Was This Stolen-?”

Further scraping may reveal a “Yes” below it.


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The engine number is 18SS123055P, On the frame gusset I can read the following ?23?55 and fairly certain the 2nd ? is a 0. The plan is to take the bike to the dating representative of the Norton Owners Club and remove the powder coating in his presents to reveal the original frame number in it's entirety. Suspect this will be in a month or two. Will post results.


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