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There are fakes at EVERY major auction...


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Fakery in Vegas?...that is just shocking.


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I cant believe there were bids on this thing = $370k. There is nothing genuine on it or in it

https://www.mecum.com/lots/LV0121-435631/1940-crocker-big-twin/

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Originally Posted by friday1
I cant believe there were bids on this thing = $370k. There is nothing genuine on it or in it

https://www.mecum.com/lots/LV0121-435631/1940-crocker-big-twin/

No? Documentation says 1940 Cases and heads. Not saying I'd bid on it.


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Just remember that there is 1% of the worlds population that has control of around 20% of the worlds wealth
So for some it is not even champaign money
And then there is the "I have some thing that you can't afford factor"


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I never understood that mentality. There are some very expensive bikes I'd love to have, a Ducati 750SS, a Laverda Jota, or that lovely Magni MV featured in the latest issue of Motorcycle Classics. But, I want them to RIDE! Not just because nobody else has one and I want to look at it every day and gloat.
In the mean time I can only dream of putting an 867 kit on my Trident.


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Originally Posted by Nick H
Originally Posted by friday1
I cant believe there were bids on this thing = $370k. There is nothing genuine on it or in it

https://www.mecum.com/lots/LV0121-435631/1940-crocker-big-twin/

No? Documentation says 1940 Cases and heads. Not saying I'd bid on it.
There has to be a crossover point between "restoration" and "replica". The blurb seems to indicate it was built up from an engine.

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With Mecum auctions (or ANY auction) the motto should be "Let the buyer beware."

I looked at their site, and am amazed how may junk, crappy-looking choppers are on it, at insane prices.

If one was for sale and came to my shop, I'd offer a max of $500 for it, to strip it for usable parts only.

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Originally Posted by Shane in Oz
Originally Posted by Nick H
Originally Posted by friday1
I cant believe there were bids on this thing = $370k. There is nothing genuine on it or in it

https://www.mecum.com/lots/LV0121-435631/1940-crocker-big-twin/

No? Documentation says 1940 Cases and heads. Not saying I'd bid on it.
There has to be a crossover point between "restoration" and "replica". The blurb seems to indicate it was built up from an engine.

For cars in the UK, a replica would probably need a new registration, which would probably mean an "Individual Vehicle Approval" test, or whatever it's called now.

For cars, there is a points system to determine if the IVA test is required. The IVA test was a minefield when it first appeared e.g. inconsistent testing. It might have improved recently

For bikes, there is a "Motorcycle Single Vehicle Approval" test. The Manual is a mere 207 pages long https://assets.publishing.service.g...e-vehicle-approval-inspection-manual.pdf

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Can't wait for the discussions when someone turns a classic bike into a non-fungible token (NFT)

If one has an issue with a bike being being around some cases....just wait.


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fast forward to Lot S121





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https://www.mecum.com/lots/LV0121-435631/1940-crocker-big-twin/

the kick lever is HD,
never seen before kick pinion idler gear
1/2" stroke plates
1 off primary cases
dry clutch
sportster head light
unidentified forks , brake and fender
sportster rear drum brake

$370K ?

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Originally Posted by Irish Swede
I looked at their site, and am amazed how may junk, crappy-looking choppers are on it, at insane prices.
As I am sure is the case for most of us, random , bike related videos pop up in my suggested list on YourTube. One such video was a channel Bikes & Beards (which I occasionally watch but not regularly) and they bought an OCC bike. It came as no surprise that they said it was garbage.

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All of these high profile auctions boil down to sad old men having a weenie-wagging competition. Hell, pretty much any auction...


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Look at lot 135,
Rim Rice BSA Goldstar Flat-tracker fetched 75.000 $.
Does somebody know who bought it?....Morgan, are you involved????

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My Mom was a car gal her whole life - her first car was a new 1951 Mercury V8, and her last car was a 400 HP Chrysler 300C, and when she was in her 80's and quit driving, she and I used to enjoy watching the televised collector car auctions together, like Barrett Jackson and all, where they auctioned lots of cars that she had either owned or wanted over the years.

Two things I always noticed:

1) The guys buying the cars looked to me like a type of guy I knew and recognized every day. They are guys who started out working on the ground in construction, or real estate, or HVAC, or trucking, or logging, or heavy equipment, and who over the years saved their money and bought and sold and worked their way up, and hired good people, and who now, after 30 years of hard work and now in their 50s, own their own construction company, or real estate brokerage, or HVAC company, or trucking company, or heavy equipment business. They have 30 or 50 or 75 guys working for them, they owe little or nothing, and their business doesn't LOOK fancy. It operates out of a few Butler buildings, or out of a crew-cab pickup truck, and the owner is still working hard every day and still living in the same brick ranch home he bought 25 years ago.

And suddenly he realizes that he's 54 years old, and he looks in the bank and sees that he has $750,000 that is surplus to his continuing operations and can do what he wants to with, and he thinks about that Hemi Cuda or MV Agusta America that he wanted when he was 15, and he heads for Las Vegas to fill in that dream.

2) Half the fun is the "auctioneers assistants" ('shills') that they have on the floor, especially if it's a good-looking woman. Guys that age just fall helplessly to pieces when a well-dressed young woman is right up beside them, looking them right in their eyes, and telling them "I know that a man like you isn't going to lose his dream car for $5000 - make the bid, honey, you'll never regret it, I promise ..." or something along those lines. Boy, do they know how to work that sort of crowd .... !

So it's that sort of "everyman" that I think we're talking about. It's not Arab oil sheikhs or Russian gangsters or Rap record label owners, it's that kind of "regular guy" that are all about us but we don't always see .... And yes, there IS a bit of "measuring" and "swinging" going on there! But we all do that, whether we admit it or not ....

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Originally Posted by expresidente
Look at lot 135,
Rim Rice BSA Goldstar Flat-tracker fetched 75.000 $.
Does somebody know who bought it?....Morgan, are you involved????

Morgan probably bought it ... $75,000 is just pin money for him, about what he nets for 2 weeks of BritBike.Com income ..... !! laughing wink

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Barrett Jackson and other US motor vehicle auctions sometimes appear on UK television; some interesting Americana, but I would find the schill-in-the-face a major distraction, although possibly a welcome distraction in some instances.

Surprised to see several speedway bikes sold.

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Originally Posted by Dibnah
Barrett Jackson and other US motor vehicle auctions sometimes appear on UK television; some interesting Americana, but I would find the schill-in-the-face a major distraction, although possibly a welcome distraction in some instances.

They know what they're doing ... if it's obvious that the shill is bothering the bidder, they back way off. If the shill is a girl, the guys ALWAYS like it ... !

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There's a Slippery Sam replica for sale on eBay UK. It's up to about 18,000 Pounds now.
Maybe I should bid on it. I could ride it home in the hold of a ship and create documentation that Percy Tait rode it to victory at the TT.
Some daft Texan would hand over $50K for it in Vegas.


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Originally Posted by DavidP
Some daft Texan would hand over $50K for it in Vegas.
Not me!

I done seen it on another forum. Seen 'em before, too...

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Just curious, what do JP Nortons fetch these days?


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Original JPNs, ore restored originals, range from $12K - $20K just as the quality of the specific bikes range from poor to excellent...


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