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I am looking for recommendations for high quality silencers for my 1966 Lightning.

When I first re-built my Lightning in the late 80's I bought a pair of Armour silencers for it but when I got the bike on the road it just didn't seem right and always felt sluggish and underpowered. After a lot of tweeking & tuning nothing seemed to improve things and after talking to other classic bike enthusiasts I decided to try another pair of silencers. I can't remember which silencers I bought, I think I got them from Burton Bike bits and they may have been Toga silencers but I just can't remember. What I do remember is the difference it made. The bike came to life and performed the way I expected it to do in the first place.

Unfortunately those silencers have suffered from being stood unused for far too long and also bear some gravel rash which has turned rusty.

So I am in the market for a new pair and would like your advice and recommendations on what and where to buy, as long as it's not Armour.

The parts book quote 68-2732 for the UK models and 68-2733 for the US models. I don't know what the difference is as when you see photographs of the US bikes the silencers look the same as the UK bikes. If anyone could enlighten me on what the difference is it would be appreciated.

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I'm thinking of using these guys for my Firebird project silencers.. Grandsons of Peter Lee, owner of Unity Equipe.. Obviously bespoke may be more expensive, but you could have the 'good' silencers replicated or have ones made to best suit your bike.

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Don't know about after-market silencers (mufflers in the US), so cannot help you there as I only use original BSA ones.

Originally factory mufflers had three different internals. One was straight thru as you can see straight thru with no restrictions. Another was semi-straight thru as they had some 'V' shaped baffling in the exhaust path, but you could sort of see thru them. The third style had significant baffling in the exhaust path and you could not see thru the restrictive baffling.


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Visit “classic bike shop” they were quite a big stockest for Brituro silencers who closed their doors earlier this year. As far as replica silencers go I have found them to be the best. Good power, nice exhaust note and decent chrome.

The armours ones I found to be too restrictive, so I soon moved them on.


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We've been impressed with the Emgo reproductions, which for the price, are very nice quality. They fit well, sound good, and hold up well for a daily rider.


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had em on my 68 A65 for several years but they are loud IMHO drive local chiwowow dawgs crazy


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I have Armours on my A65 bitsa and I agree they are a bit too quiet and too restrictive. I've been able to tune my way around them, but I run VM32 Mikunis, a different ballgame. I've wanted to change them out for something else for a long time, but it's always at the bottom of my wish list.

I remember seeing/hearing BSAs with Togas and I thought they sounded nice, throaty but not too loud. As I understand it, those same silencers are now available under the name Brituro.

Emgos are too loud, period.


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I have a pair from TJ Wassel in the UK (not to be confused with Wassell Limited). Purchased from https://www.classicmotorcyclespares.com/. They are almost perfect except a keen eye will notice that they are just a bit off pattern (rear pipe a slight bit longer than OEM, though the overall length is the same).

They sound like OEM:

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Originally Posted by MarcB
I have a pair from TJ Wassel in the UK (not to be confused with Wassell Limited). Purchased from https://www.classicmotorcyclespares.com/. They are almost perfect except a keen eye will notice that they are just a bit off pattern (rear pipe a slight bit longer than OEM, though the overall length is the same).

They sound like OEM:

I followed that link and saw that the price is 194.67 GBP (I don't have a "pounds sterling" character on my keyboard). Just for comparison, I went to Brituro. Interestingly, Brituro does not list silencers for BSA A50/A65 before 1971. The silencers that are there are priced by the each and more expensive.

I also checked out Burton Bike Bits. They have A50/A65 silencers '62-'70 for 176.00 GBP (excluding tax). There is no mention of the manufacturer, but they say they are made in England, FWIW. Oh, also... they're out of stock.

BTW MarcB, the youtube video link did not come up or even show in your post.


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EMGO mufflers are nice for the "daily rider" but do have a different shape

I have seen / stocked Brituro mufflers for the A65 and they are more accurate than the EMGO's, however the finish can vary time to time

TJ Wassell makes nice mufflers as well

I have been told EMGO mufflers can be on the loud side, but it depends on what you are comparing them too I suppose


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I use Brituro mufflers. Quality


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Originally Posted by Beach
I use Brituro mufflers. Quality

Where do you get them Bill? The one site in England that keeps coming up for me, British Motorbike Spares, shows A65 silencers only for OIF models.

Kyle from CBS, you say you have stocked Brituro silencers; this seems to imply that you don't have them in stock at this time. Being able to get them in the States would be a big plus for me.


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This is where I have bought them from. Been a couple years since ordered last set. Would be worth checking.[Linked Image]


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These might be what you're needing.[Linked Image]
Just noticed they show 0 in stock. Still worth checking.


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Yes, thanks; BCS has been my go-to place for many things for a very long time. Might be a good idea to place an order, since I'm not in a hurry. They're pricy, but so would be having them shipped from England.


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Get them whilst you can mark because vendors stocks won’t be getting replenished unless someone buys the company and starts making them again.


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Thanks for all the comments guys.

It looks like the Brituro silencers are the most popular choice and the ones to go for.

Unfortunately is would appear that no one has any stock of them in the UK and they are unlikely to be made again frown

I presume Toga have also gone out of business?

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Originally Posted by Mark Z
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I use Brituro mufflers. Quality

Where do you get them Bill? The one site in England that keeps coming up for me, British Motorbike Spares, shows A65 silencers only for OIF models.

Kyle from CBS, you say you have stocked Brituro silencers; this seems to imply that you don't have them in stock at this time. Being able to get them in the States would be a big plus for me.


Send me an email with your contact info and I’ll see if I have a set here or can if I get you a set of Brituro mufflers


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Originally Posted by Allan G
Visit “classic bike shop” they were quite a big stockest for Brituro silencers who closed their doors earlier this year. As far as replica silencers go I have found them to be the best. Good power, nice exhaust note and decent chrome.

The armours ones I found to be too restrictive, so I soon moved them on.


Great news Allan, I rang Classic Bike Shop and have managed to get a pair of Brituro silencers from them for £170.

Thanks for the recommendation.

Kev E

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