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WHERE CAN I BUY CORRECT HEADER PIPES FOR A 1965 BSA LIGHTNING CLUBMAN

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Everyone who sells these pipes will claim that they are the correct ones, l had to cut mine grind out the left to right joint, reweld and then rechrome, in order to get them right, the ones l used had the tie bar sleeves, which in my opinion are the best ones.

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As mentioned many times before, unless you can get an original set they are all crap, gas flow is terrible, as ken has done chopping the pipe short to get good access to clean up the hole makes a big difference but the bike still runs differently with an original pipe. The merge of the two pipes is over a longer distance, Instead of one pipe jutting into the other.


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A lot of "Dealers" sell the ones shown on EBAY, but it's likely they are all being made in the same shop.

Thy all look alike, and they are all wrong, and that's a clue.

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Originally Posted by Allan G
As mentioned many times before, unless you can get an original set they are all crap, gas flow is terrible, as ken has done chopping the pipe short to get good access to clean up the hole makes a big difference but the bike still runs differently with an original pipe. The merge of the two pipes is over a longer distance, Instead of one pipe jutting into the other.

YES I RECALL THIS BEING DISCUSSED IN THE PAST. I WAS HOPING SOME PROGRESS HAD BEEN MADE.

ANYONE WHO KNOWS ME KNOWS THAT I AM NOT A FABRICATOR OF PARTS ALTHOUGH I HAVE BEEN KNOWN FABTRCATED A FEW STORIES IN THE PAST.

I DO NOT HAVE THE TALENT TO ACCOMPLISH THIS ON MY OWN. IT WOULD BE GREAT TO FIND SOMEONE WITH THE CAPABILITY TO STEP FORWARD AND IMPRESS ME. NOTE: I AM EASILY IMPRESSED.


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Well I'm going to throw my 2 pennorth in here. First, I'm pretty certain the Siamese setup was fitted to all of the 64/65 twin carb models, not just the Clubman. If you have the A50/65 Gold Portfolio book, one of the road test 64 Lightnings is even fitted with a Clubman silencer. Second I have an Armours Siamese fitted to my Cyclone and it runs fine. Looking at the original pipes on Page 46 of the book mentioned above, I can see no difference between the original pipes and the Armours set.

Neither has the lugs for the tie bar and on my Armours set, the left hand pipe is blended into the right hand over a distance of 2 1/4 inches rather than stuck into the pipe.

So Armours may be the way to go and I am by no means Armours biggest fan, Their B44 high level pipes are shall we say, disappointing and they are always right,-"there are only 2 kinds of B44 high level pipe". When actually there are 4 and only one of theirs does fit.


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No disrespect Vic, I have (somewhere at my dads) an armours pipe which I refused to use because the shape was so poor and still have an original clubmans Siamese.

The stock lightning Siamese is shorter than the clubmans type possibly because the lightning one had the longer silencer, the clubmans longer type has a kick up. Around the foot rest area, probably about 5° so not much.

The armours pipes come out from the head too far, they then have a slight kick at the bottom rail to bring it back into line, the original pipes (or any type) doesn’t do thIs, they stay slender to the bike.

Hardest part is finding some decent silencers, I did have one but the company went bust.

I can see me making some more downpipes.

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SORRY, MY BAD, I FORGOT ABOUT THE OTHER APPLICATIONS FOR THOSE PIPES ACROSS THE POND. EVERYONE IN THE U.S. WANTED 2 MUFFLERS SO THOSE BIKES WERE NOT SOLD HERE. RE: MY CLUBMAN; ALL I CAN SAY IS THE FIT IS OK BUT THEY INTERFERE WITH THE SPEEDO CABLE ON MY 65.


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1965 BSA A65 Lightning Rocket "Clubman" (restored)
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ALAN; IF YOU MAKE ANOTHER AN EXTRA SET OF PIPES PLEASE LET ME KNOW.


I APOLOGIZE FOR THE USE OF CAPS. I CAN ONLY TYPE WITH MY RIGHT HAND SO USING THE SHIFT KEY IS BEYOND MY CAPABILITES.

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1957 BSA A10 Spitfire Scrambler (numbers matching, very correct, very nice condition)
1965 BSA A65 Lightning Rocket "Clubman" (restored)
1966 BSA A65 Spitfire MK-II (restored)
1967 BSA A65 West Coast Hornet (under restoration)
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Ken, as and when I do, I’ll make you a set.


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Originally Posted by Allan G
Ken, as and when I do, I’ll make you a set.
ALLAN, THANK THAT'S VERY THOUGHTFUL YOU ARE A GENTLEMAN TO HELP OUT.


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I've got a pair of armours stainless Siamese pipes for my Cyclone. I'm doing ten minute sessions with long round files to relieve metal from inside the join.
I'm not complaining, as they fit perfect to the bike, so will persevere until I'm satisfied with the result.


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Allan, you might be 'in the business' of making more sets of these.

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Originally Posted by Irish Swede
Allan, you might be 'in the business' of making more sets of these.

Maybe so. The pennies are tight are the minute plus I need to order some more welding gas but I have looked at what I need to make these from scratch. The biggest issue is chroming, Theres a delay on chrome at the moment due to the lock down restorers coming out of the woodwork. That plus having the time to make them. I’ve certainly got more than enough means to make an accurate jig, frame/engines etc... even if I have to use my own bike.

If there was enough people genuinely interested for an accurate copy (which would cost more than the Wassell shite or even armours) then I might make them on request for folk, but the want would have to out weigh the time I could be spending with my little one.


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I'd be interested in having a set, and there's a guy in New Jersey who is building a Lightning Rocket Clubman replica who might also want one.

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I’ll get 2 sets made up first, one for my self and another for who wants one and see how it goes from there. I can imagine that with my (not quick) turn around time some people might get fed up of waiting. Once I’ve done two if anyone wants one I’ll take deposits for them.


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Originally Posted by Allan G
Originally Posted by Irish Swede
Allan, you might be 'in the business' of making more sets of these.

Maybe so. The pennies are tight are the minute plus I need to order some more welding gas but I have looked at what I need to make these from scratch. The biggest issue is chroming, Theres a delay on chrome at the moment due to the lock down restorers coming out of the woodwork. That plus having the time to make them. I’ve certainly got more than enough means to make an accurate jig, frame/engines etc... even if I have to use my own bike.

If there was enough people genuinely interested for an accurate copy (which would cost more than the Wassell shite or even armours) then I might make them on request for folk, but the want would have to out weigh the time I could be spending with my little one.

IF I MIGHT MAKE A SUGGESTION. WHY NOT SELL THEM IT BARE STEEL OR EVEN UNPOLISHED STAINLESS STEEL.LEAVE THE CHOICE OF PLATING OR POLISHING OR FINAL FINISH UP TO THE CUSTOMER? SOME MAY PREFER TO SELECT THERE OWN PLATER OR CHOSE TO USE AN ALTERNATE FINISH. SINCE VERY FEW OR EVEN NO LIGHTNING CLUBMANS BEING CONSTRUCTED ARE ORIGINAL BIKES. MANY ARE NOT ATTEMPTING TO REPLICATE AN ORIGINAL BIKE IN EVERY SOME ARE BEING CHANGED TO SUIT THE BUILDERS DESIRE TO CREATE A RETRO LOOK.


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That was a consideration, re the chrome.

The pipe on mine at the moment is shorter and larger at the tip to suit the silencer.


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I agree with Spitfire Ken.

I would be happy with my pipes being plain steel.

I can do the final finishing myself, before sending it to the chrome plater of my choice.

In my case, production time is not a problem, as my Clubman is a long way from being finished.


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