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1. the tricon kill will work as a kill , with points ignition , if you wire it at the right spots
for positive ground ... wire the kill to both positive poles of both coils .
the kill , when pushed , over-rides the points and denies the coils a chance to collapse ... so the engine dies .
the kill is "safe" because it uses the resistive path of the coils as the load


2. you could fit a tricon kill to one of the stator signal leads of most analog Boyer/Pazon ignitions too .
and it should work . ( not the cleanest wiring method , but viable if done well )
(one end of the triggering signal is shunted so there is no complete signal circuit ) ...

3. the original triconsul was performing a different function than the tricon ...with what looks like the same switch ,
but the inside of one of the switches is wired differently ... and has a different colored switch button to distinguish the feature .

the high beam flash is designed to be used when passing or to get another driver's attention .
its not a must have thing till you get used to having one .

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Originally Posted by quinten

1. the tricon kill will work as a kill , with points ignition , if you wire it at the right spots
for positive ground ... wire the kill to both positive poles of both coils .
the kill , when pushed , over-rides the points and denies the coils a chance to collapse ... so the engine dies .
the kill is "safe" because it uses the resistive path of the coils as the load


2. you could fit a tricon kill to one of the stator signal leads of most analog Boyer/Pazon ignitions too .
and it should work . ( not the cleanest wiring method , but viable if done well )
(one end of the triggering signal is shunted so there is no complete signal circuit ) ...

3. the original triconsul was performing a different function than the tricon ...with what looks like the same switch ,
but the inside of one of the switches is wired differently ... and has a different colored switch button to distinguish the feature .

the high beam flash is designed to be used when passing or to get another driver's attention .
its not a must have thing till you get used to having one .


Pretty much summed up my thinking! I'll likely just roll with the Ducon. My thinking was that I would use the Tricon as a coil collapse as mentioned, but in the long run, I'll likely not need the kill button or flash-to-pass feature as it's *technically* not legal to use in NY (so no worries about complex wiring for something that could cause some confusion amongst the proles), so I'll just to the Ducon thang...

As a side note here, folks will know I'm there if passing them - the series 1 dunstall decibel mufflers will definitely be heard!

Thank you for help in clarifying my thinking and explaining... lots of awesome knowledge up here!!! thumbsup

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"1. the tricon kill will work as a kill , with points ignition , if you wire it at the right spots
for positive ground ... wire the kill to both positive poles of both coils .
the kill , when pushed , over-rides the points and denies the coils a chance to collapse ... so the engine dies .
the kill is "safe" because it uses the resistive path of the coils as the load"

I read that you're not intending to go down this route. Just as well, because it wouldn't work.
The magneto kill button on the Tricon is a simple single pole push-to-ground switch.
Both coil +ves would have to connect to the same terminal of the Tricon. This means that the 2 coil +ves are permanently joined.
This will make a nonsense of the ignition system, in which both contact breakers are acting on both coils at the same time.
The engine will not run.

The only ways I can think of to achieve this function with this switch would be to use either:

- a double pole normally open relay (I'm sure they exist, might take a bit of searching) so a separate pole for each coil +ve

or

- 2 normally open relays (one for each coil +ve), which is really just a clumsy way of making one of the above.

In both cases the switching terminals would be connected to system -ve and kill switch, and each coil +ve would be connected to separate poles or separate relays with the other switched terminals going to ground.

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I read that you're not intending to go down this route. Just as well, because it wouldn't work.
The magneto kill button on the Tricon is a simple single pole push-to-ground switch.
Both coil +ves would have to connect to the same terminal of the Tricon. This means that the 2 coil +ves are permanently joined.
This will make a nonsense of the ignition system, in which both contact breakers are acting on both coils at the same time.
The engine will not run.


you are right .
no fuse would blow , but the coils would get pretty hot .,,, and probably no sparks
the open time ( firing ) of one set of points would be covered by the second set that is closed ... and vice versa .
only an incredibly special points dwell cam would allow the (simple kill to work) ... so not at all practical .
if you could work out ... not overlapping the 2 coils charge times .
... each individual set of points would fire both coils ( I don't think this was the goal )

my idea is crap .. for an ignition running 2 sets of points
it would only work with one set of points ( like a magneto )
... a single cyinder engine ... or a twin with a distributor .

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This thread seems to be going round in circles, is the Wipac switch I posted not a Triconsul ? or should I get a picture of the internals.

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Originally Posted by Les P
is the Wipac switch I posted not a Triconsul ?


Looks like a Triconsul.

The problem is finding one as the available (copies) are Ducon or Tricon.

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Originally Posted by Les P
This thread seems to be going round in circles, is the Wipac switch I posted not a Triconsul ? or should I get a picture of the internals.



I dunno about circles, but I'm sure learning a lot about this stuff... I thought I had it figured out before... I guess I was quite a bit off lol

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Originally Posted by Les P
This thread seems to be going round in circles, is the Wipac switch I posted not a Triconsul ? or should I get a picture of the internals.

it is a triconsul ... or looks like one should .
do you have one ?

there were pictures on the web , at one time of the wiring differences , but they seem to have been
Photo-bucket-ed in the " great picture Purge"
the text portion and explanation is still on Norton access .

heres an animation that someone did that shows most of whats going on with the tricon-sul
but you have to sniff out the missing wiring and imagine they switch contact action .
Notice how only the black switch uses a groundable shaped contact . (the missing handlebars themselves would be the ground .)
the vid does not show the jumper from green contact to headlight high beam filament .
the spring contacts can be seen at about the 12 ~ 15 sec.
the green contact is not to ground ... but to a second pole ... so it is just a simple momentary contact switch

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Originally Posted by Les P
This thread seems to be going round in circles, is the Wipac switch I posted not a Triconsul ? or should I get a picture of the internals.


Do you have one ?



I believe so as per the pictures attached on Page 2 of this thread.
The pictures are days old and yes anything from old threads with pictures via Photobucket are all but gone now.

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