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#637511 01/29/16 2:43 am
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So it seems I've been bitten twice now. Last year I sent a perfect ZB Gold Star barrel in for a new liner and after the liner was pressed in there was a pop and a crack appeared the full length and depth of the cylinder.

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Well another liner was procured and all is well.

So I started to send some other barrels to a shop in California that does beautiful fin repair work. I have had three done with no problems and the work is done so well to the point that you can't see any repairs. In early December I send him a barrel for my BB Gold Star that needs only a minor repair on one fin. Last week I email the shop to find out the progress and I'm asked "what barrel? When did you send it?" I sent it Dec 9th as my USPS receipt shows so I look up the tracking and it shows it was delivered to his "parcel locker" on Dec 13th, a Sunday. Turns out Sunday night his parcel locker was broken into, one of several times in December, and my parcel, and barrel, disappeared.

Luckily I did have it insured for $500 and I'm going through the claim process. Problem is I don't know if I can find another BB Gold Star barrel, let alone one for $500.

Woe is me, frown


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Did you break a mirror recently?

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That IS bad luck. $1500 worth of dead Gold Star barrels, and nothing to put back on the bike.

Same sort of thing happening (for the same sort of money) with my Moto Guzzi 8 valve engine, except in this case it was malfeasance on the part of whoever designed and built the camshaft and cam followers for that motor.

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Jeez, Boomer!
Well when the Gold Star barrel goes awry, there's always the




WINE barrel.
Or whisky barrel.

Not much if a substitute, admittedly- but maybe there is at least a weensy bit of relief there?

PS: what about HIS insurance? Any possibility of help there, perhaps?

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Well that certainly sucks Bill. You haven't run over a black cat or anything recently have you?

I'll keep my peepers peeled for you.


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My Lucas crystal ball tells me that in the future such cracks as this will be repairable using laser guided electron beam welding. You'll be able to mount this on a workbench outdoors, and NASA (or the NSA) will call in such a satellite or drone and zap it from on high. The cost will be covered by your Medicare Plan S (Smithsonian-grade old stuff), and a deduction will be made to your life-time restoration budget.

The only hang up will be that the young Turks running the satellite won't have a listing for 'cast iron' in their manuals. laughing


Actually, the old cylinder is very useful as a pattern from which new parts could be cast and finish machined. Do some research on "rapid prototyping" in your locale. The proliferation of 3D CAD modeling (especially Pro/E and SolidWorks) has got small shops springing up everywhere that do this type work. Most use 5-axis mills to simply hog the part out of a block, but there are also rapid prototype casting concerns where up to 5 parts are made in 'soft-tooled' molds. (The high cost within the casting process being the previously required "hard tooling".) Since the major cost is avoided, the finished part is quite affordable. If you make 5 and sell the other 4, yours could end up nearly free. (Please put me down for 1 smile )

Even if the finished part is aluminum, you can install a liner and throw some sand in the paint to make the finished part look like cast iron.

Additionally
, while the part is modeled in 3D, stress analysis can be run on the model to determine why it cracked and failed the way it did. Cracks such as this typically start in one weak area and then propagate to other much stronger areas. With this understanding, the 3D model can then be tweaked in very subtle ways to avoid the same catastrophy in the future. Often times only .040" more material need be added in one small area to stop a failure.

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These barrels, or for that matter all Gold Star alloy barrels, always seem to crack where the headbolt tunnel is and start at the base. Probably due to machining the clearance for the bolt thus making the muff thinner in that area. The machinist I have been using says the casting is very porous and difficult to weld.

He said he could weld this barrel but would have to break every fin to get to the inside crack and then weld up every fin, needless to say a lot of expense.

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All the barrels I have had sleeved for the past 20 years have been aluminum sleeves with Nikasil. I have had Millenium and Advanced Sleeve do the work. It turns out that they do not use an interference fit any longer as they have found that a zero fit and Loctite performs better. After reading this post, I think I see why.

Best of luck!

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Originally Posted by ricochetrider
Jeez, Boomer!
Well when the Gold Star barrel goes awry, there's always the




WINE barrel.
Or whisky barrel.




I do all my whining in the basement.


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Well I filed an insurance claim for the lost barrel. I had $500 insurance on it and thought that would almost cover it. Got a reply back Friday and today called the Inspectors office for an explanation. Apparently, even though it was unusually delivered on a Sunday, it was left in a parcel locker and scanned delivered. Once it's scanned delivered, insurance no longer is covered. So I guess I'm SOL all around. I can appeal but I think it may be to no avail.


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Well, what do you know. After four appeals and four months I got a check in the mail today from USPS for $524.99. After showing that the recipient did not receive the parcel I was still denied three times for the lack of a receipt for the part. When I told them it was a part on a bike that I bought 20 years ago they then said they wouldn't pay on sentimental value. When I sent them a price list from Phil Pearson showing a new big fin cylinder listed for $763 (at that time) they said I would need to show a quote from a reputable shop???? I finally found a shop in Australia that wrote me a quote and pointed out that their claim form under proof of value only needed a statement of costs. I received a check today with no explanation.

Now, who has a die cast BB34 barrel they would part with?


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Ha, I guess it ain't over til it's over. But half the equation is already in place. :bigt
Good luck finding a new barrel.


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WOW. USPS has done nothing but screw me, with plenty valid proof of USPS' fault!!!!


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The good thing is, it wasn't lost in shipping somewhere, as in fell off the truck or what have you. However, sucks to hear that the parcel locker was broken into. I imagine the parcel locker is located within the post office or the one at his place of business like apartment complexes, etc., have ?

Aside from being in the Army, I'm also a part-time USPS City Carrier and this definitely has my interest from both perspectives.




Originally Posted by Boomer
Turns out Sunday night his parcel locker was broken into, one of several times in December, and my parcel, and barrel, disappeared.




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The parcel locker is located out on the road. The business has a long driveway, over a mile, and USPS won't deliver to his building. The key was the tracking showed it was delivered on a Sunday and the regular route carrier said there were no deliveries that Sunday so it was just thought that the locker was compromised or it "fell of the truck" somewhere along the way. After I showed that the recipient never received the package the claim was denied three times for an unacceptable statement of value.


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***UPDATE***

Just reread this and I can understand why the USPS doesn't go down to his building as being more than a mile off the beaten path is quite a ways. I know that the really rural residents around here either have their parcels left down by their mailbox or they collect them at the post office. UPS does the same.

During the holiday season for the past couple of years, the USPS has been delivering parcels on Sundays and usually on the rural routes. If that is the case, it could be possible that the parcel was in fact delivered to the parcel locker on a Sunday. Just because the regular did not deliver it on a Sunday doesn't mean it didn't get delivered. The USPS uses volunteers and or voluntold newer employees from their rural carrier and city carrier assistant pool during the holiday season to deliver parcels on Sundays. In my experience, no regular route carrier, be it city carrier or rural carrier is going to deliver parcels on Sundays...and especially rural carriers as they generally work 6 days a week by contract and would be losing money or..basically, working for free by delivering on a Sunday. So, the regular didn't deliver on a Sunday but was somebody else delivering is something to find out. Somebody used a real time scanner to show it delivered so it certainly points to that case.

Anyhow, the parcel was scanned and showed delivery to the parcel locker, so we can rule out that the package "fell off the truck" and focus on the parcel locker being broken into. How does the business owner know it was broken into ? Was there forcible entry ? Was the locker wide open when they went to collect the goods from it ? Has this ever happened to them before ?

If it wasn't broken into, then it is possible for the parcel to have been delivered to another address. The scanner doesn't recognize that but does make you enter an option, such as parcel locker, front door, etc., etc.. So, someone scanned it as delivered to a parcel locker whether it was his or another. Another question is if there are multiple parcel lockers at that location? If it got delivered to the wrong address, one would think that the person would leave it for the carrier but strange things do happen and there are strange people out there.

It might be a PIA but if this was a break in/theft, then it would probably be best to have the parcels held and picked up at the post office. Insurance is great and even if you don't have to jump through hoops to get it paid, it still doesn't replace a valuable part such as this which is the real travesty.



Originally Posted by Boomer
The parcel locker is located out on the road. The business has a long driveway, over a mile, and USPS won't deliver to his building. The key was the tracking showed it was delivered on a Sunday and the regular route carrier said there were no deliveries that Sunday so it was just thought that the locker was compromised or it "fell of the truck" somewhere along the way.


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Not sure about the condition of the parcel locker but the recipient did call the Seriffs office to make a report and was told they had issues in the recent past in his area of lockers getting broken into. They also told him there had been problems of items "falling off the back of the truck" in the whole LA area.

Whatever, I have finally been compensated, although I had to go to extraordinary effort to get the USPS to pay the claim. After the first denial of claim, when I called the postal inspector I was accused of filing a false claim. Maybe that's what strengthened my resolve.

I would think that if a parcel is going to be delivered on a Sunday at a remote locker the recipient would be notified somehow. He didn't expect the Sunday delivery so he didn't go down to the locker until the next day.

The place of business then recommended that items be sent by UPS or Fedex as they will deliver up his road to his shop building.

Yes, I would be ecstatic if I had gotten the barrel back somehow as I'm finding this particular barrel very hard to replace.


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Originally Posted by Jon W. Whitley
I know that the really rural residents around here either have their parcels left down by their mailbox or they collect them at the post office. UPS does the same.


i kept a warehouse in a small town here in ohio for a year or two. the town was so small that there was no in-town mail delivery. everybody just got a free post-office box and walked down to the PO to get their mail. i was on the downtown crossroads, and two walls of my shop were on the center of town and the other two were in the country.

this was an issue with UPS, because they wouldn't deliver to a PO box and if i wasn't they would go away. eventually i got them to drop stuff off at the grocery store across the street.


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Not the best outcome despite the 500 bucks for the stolen item...What will the thief do with a cracked cylinder?
We live 350 feet from the road at the end of a narrow winding dirt/stone driveway..The USPS lady drives back here to deliver packages that won't fit in the post box at the road. I believe the carrier isn't supposed to do this and just leave a note to pick it up at the post office. My wife leaves a dozen eggs from our chickens in the mail box for her..The post lady also leaves empty eggs cartons in the post box...Some call this "corruption" grin


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Originally Posted by Hillbilly bike
Not the best outcome despite the 500 bucks for the stolen item...What will the thief do with a cracked cylinder?


Take it to the recyclers and get 5 bucks for it. frown


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