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Two Alpha, THANKS for the information.

As luck will have it, "Sapphire Blue" is a color I need for one of my BSAs.

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Is "Sapphire Blue" the same as "Nutley Blue"?

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There's a NOS A70 tank on eBay at the moment showing the main part being somewhat orange and for the A70 a very bright orange ( almost like a hi-viz) line.


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Originally Posted by Tridentman
Is "Sapphire Blue" the same as "Nutley Blue"?

It would seem that they are the same.
The 1962 and 1964 parts books have a code of /088 for Nutley Blue, the 1966 parts book has a code of /88 for Sapphire Blue.





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Thanks Two Alpha.
I well remember late A10s in the day in UK with the "Nutley Blue" color.
Than when I moved to US I realized that I was living about 5 miles from a town called Nutley--which was where the Eastern HQ of BSA were based--and where the name of the color came from--I guess.

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Originally Posted by Allan Gill
There's a NOS A70 tank on eBay at the moment showing the main part being somewhat orange and for the A70 a very bright orange ( almost like a hi-viz) line.


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Now let’s all have a beer beerchug

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Originally Posted by Allan Gill

I have some doubts about the description but the various images do show that colour looking like either the Firebird or the Lightning (in the brochure I posted earlier), depending on the angle of the lighting.
With the parts book showing only one bronze for 1971, those two models must be the same colour.


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Originally Posted by Allan Gill


That tank has a red pin stripe which if NOS has confused me even more..

he also has a green tank and again the stripe is a different shade?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BSA-PETROL-...orcycle_Parts_13&hash=item2edd55111d

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Hi guys,

With respect, you're looking at two-dimensional digital images of a three-dimensional curved object that's hardly likely to have been lit professionally for the pictures; also, any image you're seeing varies depending on the quality of the camera used to take it, the quality of its software, the quality of the screen's hardware and software you're looking at, the quality of the visual components of your eye and, finally, how your brain 'sees' a 'colour'. How on earth can you fill up a forum thread waffling about different shades when the advertiser's described both tanks as "nos", which makes them the thick end of half-a-century old, and they obviously haven't been stored carefully during that time? shocked

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Two Alpha and Tridentman:

There was a question about the two BSA colors Blue about a year ago.

The answer is that "Sapphire Blue" and "Nutley Blue" are indeed the same color blue,
This was the color that CATALINA Gold Stars were painted.

However, there is also a color "Dark Blue," and this color was used on CLUBMAN Gold Stars.

Check Gold Star Forum entries, about Feb 15 - 25., 2014. Entry was done by BritTwit.
Pictures of two Gold Star tanks show the two colors, and decal locations.

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Thanks, Irish, I was thinking of the late 62 A10s which I remember seeing when new in UK and IIRC there is an example on the Haynes A10 Manual cover.
But thanks for the confirmation -- useful.

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Put this together from the various BSA Twin parts books I have copies of, a new line was added whenever there was a variation in code, colour description or application.

Edit: Made some changes to the chart, included paint information from both the twins and singles parts books that I have, tried to minimize repetition due to slight differences in the descriptions.
Definitely not complete as I don't have all the parts books.

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Here's the rest of it.
Edit: updated per previous post.

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Good info, Two Alpha, many thanks.

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Just been looking--can't find there any reference to polychromatic green---the color of my 1960 A7 Shooting Star?

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I don't have the 1960 or 1961 parts books unfortunately.

For 1962, the parts book shows Metallic Green while the brochure/catalogue calls it Polychromatic Green.
Perhaps I can find Polychromatic Green in my Singles parts book copies.

edit: No sign of Polychromatic Green in any of the parts books I have access to.
I do see that Roy Bacon refers to that being the colour of the 1960 Shooting Star in his BSA Twins and Triples book, looks like that model had been the same colour since 1955.
Odds say it is /039 Metallic Green.

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Originally Posted by Ed Vanaman
Gary,

The Ivory white formula would be helpful.

Ed V

Delayed but not forgotten.

'68 Spitfire Ivory

The stock number on the right side of the label: 626670

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No luck so far finding Cherokee Red in any of the BSA parts books.
The 1967 US catalogue does describe the Spitfire finish as Cherokee Red and Ivory. No doubt much preferred by the advertising department over Peony Red and Ivory.

Cherokee Red finally shows up in a parts book, but it's the 1974 Triumph 750 Twins parts book, for the T140V Bonneville.
Looks like the same colour as the earlier Peony Red, but with the more US friendly name.

Edit: Gary posted some great pics over here showing the Hornet tank colours.


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Hi,

Originally Posted by Two Alpha
Cherokee Red finally shows up in a parts book, but it's the 1974 Triumph 750 Twins parts book, for the T140V Bonneville.
Looks like the same colour as the earlier Peony Red,

But it isn't, Triumph Cherokee Red is most definitely a candy, dark red lacquer over a Gold ground coat according to Don Hutchinson, also done over a Silver ground coat sometimes, and possibly also over a White ground coat on (some?) UK & General Export tanks, which have more White than the small flashes on US-market tanks. It was knowing all that that prompted my question earlier in the thread ... smile

Hth.

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With the tanks being constructed of completely different material, a different technique was used to achieve a result that "looks like the same colour as the earlier Peony Red".
Colour deliberately chosen as a nod to BSA no doubt.

1974 T140V Cherokee Red

The other bike in the video is a 1973 T140V.


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Sorry for a late response to some of the replies that I have got.
I have two gas tanks,one is a 65 Hornet and the other is I believe a 66.Both are the same color and they are indeed not painted but the color for both is in the gel coat.

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Righto. For '65 & '66 (Spitfire Hornet & Hornet) the color is Mandarin Red, which is orange.


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Hi,

Originally Posted by Two Alpha
Colour deliberately chosen as a nod to BSA

Ye-ea-ah ... how much do you know about the day-to-day relationship between Meriden and Small Heath? Let's just say the demise of BSA (the Group) wasn't in spite of a harmonious working relationship ... I believe you'll find it was more two fingers than nod ... laughing

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OK guys,
This post has got a lot of response's.I needed some help now I'm going to help someone out there,Maybe?
I took one of the Hornet tanks down to the local paint supply stores,(PPG).They used a hand held device that told them what color and how to mix it.Now this is for the Mandarin Red.
I wanted a single stage urethane,under the PPG Omni brand.
This is what they came up with.
Tinting guide:MTK72441 Jaspe the color they called it.
M120 5.3
M111 143.6
M107 84.9
M130 111.2
M117 6.6
MX195 9.6
M149 178.1
Now I have not applied it as yet but it may be a tad on the red side than the orange.I have seen some out there that was really orange.This is more to my liking but may not be to someone else.
Mixed at 4 pt's paint 1pt MH 168 slow hardener and 1 pt MR 186 medium reducer.You may want to use something different on the hardener and reducer in your area.
Cheers,Leroy

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