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#583045 01/28/15 1:07 pm
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Can anyone out there help me with the paint codes for Mandarin Red and Cherokee Red.The Mandarin Red I think I can come up with.I have an original tank with that color.

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Hi,

Originally Posted by leturner
paint codes
Cherokee Red.

No original paint codes. However, if "Cherokee Red" is a dark red candy, it was also used by Triumph; Don Hutchinson is the US-based expert, he might also be able to help you with "Mandarin Red".

Hth.

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Not sure if this will be much help, perhaps that 1966 "BSA Lightning Flamboyant Red" will work for you.

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I can add to that

1970 A65 flamboyant air craft blue. - Peugeot Miami blue EMY53 with silver base ( I used ford moon dust silver)

It would be good to make this a "sticky" topic


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1967 BSA "Flamboyant Red" is a translucent "candy" (clear paint tinted red) applied over a metallic silver bas4e coat. The red faded away in the sun, eventually only the silver remained.
I have a faded '67 Lightning tank, so I speak from an example.

Check to see if if the darker candy-color "Cherokee Red" was painted over a GOLD base.

Of "Mandarin Red," I have no ideas.


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I'd imagine the Cherokee red to be something like RGS Dave's A10 restoration (thread) have a mooch on there and I'm sure he will spill the beans on a colour code. It's a neat colour anyway.


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Cherokee Red is not in that chart that Two Alpha posted. It is a solid color, not candy, not metallic. Used on '67 Hornets and '66/'67 Spitfires. '66 Hornets had the Mandarin Red (orange). I'll be back in a minute with the Cherokee Red formula.

This is the formula that I have posted on the board numerous times over the years.

If you are not picky, Honda San Marino Red is very similar.

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Here's what I used for the Mandarin. Matched to an original tank:

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Hi Gary,

Originally Posted by Gary E
Cherokee Red
is a solid color, not candy,

Satisfy my curiosity, if you wouldn't mind? There isn't any possibility that Small Heath sprayed a candy tinted lacquer over a White 'ground coat'? This would give an apparently-"solid" look (as opposed to the 'metallic' look when Silver or Gold 'ground coat' is used), but the visible colour would be much 'brighter' than a straight gloss, especially under artificial light, where candy shines (pardon the pun).

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Stuart: These particular colors are matched to gel coat of fibreglass tanks.

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I know if you spray enough candy coat layers, you completely loose the candy effect and all it will do is look like a solid colour but it does become a lot ( and I mean from a blood red to bright red) lighter in sunlight. Same happened when I used 2-3 light coats of metalic blue over a silver base, however the outcome was metalic, it just became very light or very dark depending on the daylight.

I can find some examples for both of anyone's interested, but I know it's going off topic. However Gary has supplied the formula for the correct colour ( to the pannels that were painted on a certain day/mix)


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Glass tanks were not painted.

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Does anyone have the formula for the white paint that goes on a 66 Spitfire?

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Hi Leon,

Thanks. :bigt

Regards,

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Originally Posted by leon bee
Glass tanks were not painted.


Correct. I should have seperated that sentence.

Out of interest, how is the colour formed when making the gel coat?


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Originally Posted by Stuart
Hi Gary,

Originally Posted by Gary E
Cherokee Red
is a solid color, not candy,

Satisfy my curiosity, if you wouldn't mind? There isn't any possibility that Small Heath sprayed a candy tinted lacquer over a White 'ground coat'? This would give an apparently-"solid" look (as opposed to the 'metallic' look when Silver or Gold 'ground coat' is used), but the visible colour would be much 'brighter' than a straight gloss, especially under artificial light, where candy shines (pardon the pun).

Regards,

Stuart,
Others have probably answered the question. But in any case, the solid colors like Cherokee Red, Mandarin Red (orange), Ivory (like on the Spitfires), etc. are in the gelcoat, (most of this you probaly already know) so the paint/gelcoat) gets sprayed in the mold first, then the chopper gun goes to work spraying the fiberglass. I have never seen any evidence of any other color used, ie white, grey, metallic or other, other than the final color sprayed in the mold after the colored gelcoat was sprayed in.

That should answer Allan's question also.


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Originally Posted by Ed Vanaman
Does anyone have the formula for the white paint that goes on a 66 Spitfire?

Not sure about the color on the '66. Maybe it is white. I've never color matched it. The '66 (and '67) catalog says Ivory. For the '68 Spitfire it was Ivory. I have the '68 formula if that would do ya.


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Leon, what brand name is the paint in the formula you listed?
DuPont, PPG, Ditzler, r what?

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Originally Posted by Irish Swede
Leon, what brand name is the paint in the formula you listed?
DuPont, PPG, Ditzler, r what?


Dupont. The oval logo didn't show up on my scan.

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Originally Posted by Gary E
Originally Posted by Stuart
Hi Gary,

Originally Posted by Gary E
Cherokee Red
is a solid color, not candy,

Satisfy my curiosity, if you wouldn't mind? There isn't any possibility that Small Heath sprayed a candy tinted lacquer over a White 'ground coat'? This would give an apparently-"solid" look (as opposed to the 'metallic' look when Silver or Gold 'ground coat' is used), but the visible colour would be much 'brighter' than a straight gloss, especially under artificial light, where candy shines (pardon the pun).

Regards,

Stuart,
Others have probably answered the question. But in any case, the solid colors like Cherokee Red, Mandarin Red (orange), Ivory (like on the Spitfires), etc. are in the gelcoat, (most of this you probaly already know) so the paint/gelcoat) gets sprayed in the mold first, then the chopper gun goes to work spraying the fiberglass. I have never seen any evidence of any other color used, ie white, grey, metallic or other, other than the final color sprayed in the mold after the colored gelcoat was sprayed in.

That should answer Allan's question also.


It does and I've learnt something there, thanks.


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Gary,

The Ivory white formula would be helpful.

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Two Alpha, you contributed the first page of a list of USA color matches for BSA.
It appears there is another page or pages.
Would you please post the additional paint color matches?

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I S, it comes from here

http://bsa.hailwood.com/paint.html

So only one colour missing

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Here's the missing color off the bottom of that chart, we really shouldn't be without Sapphire Blue.

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I'm curious about the color of the 1971 Firebird Scramblers, the parts book only lists Bronze (and Sterling Moss) but any pictures I've seen, including a US brochure, show the Firebird looking somewhat more orange than the bronze of the Lightning.
Anybody recall seeing both sitting side by side in a showroom in 1971?


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