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Originally Posted by Pureblood
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" a huge package of information and instructions " for an easy and simple job ?

Honestly the set up was the easiest part of the whole project.

Figuring out where the chair needed to be in relationship to the bike was an important step since I was creating the solid mounting points. There are some adjustments in the struts but stuff like keeping the lower struts level and square took some thought. THEN when I upgraded my swingarm and the wheel size changed…..I needed different attachment points for the two lower struts. In the end I went back with the stock Velorex arm and wheel. Never cared for the trailer tire look.

PS…..the Velorex 562 has a brake.

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Gotcha, thread confusion.
" a huge package of information and instructions " for an easy and simple job ?

Honestly the set up was the easiest part of the whole project.

Figuring out where the chair needed to be in relationship to the bike was an important step since I was creating the solid mounting points. There are some adjustments in the struts but stuff like keeping the lower struts level and square took some thought. THEN when I upgraded my swingarm and the wheel size changed…..I needed different attachment points for the two lower struts. In the end I went back with the stock Velorex arm and wheel. Never cared for the trailer tire look.

PS…..the Velorex 562 has a brake.


Adjusting (set up) is a piece of cake, all I need is a flat road and an adjustable spanner.

I did not know the Velorex sidecars have brakes, that's excellent.


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My Velorex had a brake also. However, I only used it for low speed stunts or as a parking brake. Using it at speed produced unpredictable results.

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I finally got around to following kommando’s suggestion that I go to a bigger front brake. 1969 B44SS front end. 1968 B44SS wheel which has an 8” hub. Late model 8” TLS from a twin dropped right in. I’m looking forward to giving it a try. It’s got to be better than the stock 67 brake.

Sidecar brake needs to be linked to the bike’s rear brake for controllable stops IMO.

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Originally Posted by Gordon Gray
Sidecar brake needs to be linked to the bike’s rear brake for controllable stops IMO.

Is there any other way to use it ?


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has anybody cobbled up a fork brace for the 1960s TLS forks?


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Originally Posted by kevin
has anybody cobbled up a fork brace for the 1960s TLS forks?

Does a VW steering dampener count? laughing

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lol

that part is easy

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one of these things, except modifiable for a 1969 A65

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. . . or something that accomplishes th esame thing

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Norman Hyde used to do a fork brace--- but I dont know if they fitted those forks.
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Originally Posted by kevin
lol

that part is easy

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one of these things, except modifiable for a 1969 A65

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. . . or something that accomplishes th esame thing

Damn you kevin….now I have dampener envy!!!! laughing

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iirc, that norman hyde brace was for disc brake models, bur something like it would be perfect

gordon, look up el cheapo chinese steering dampers on ebay. i use a cognito moto damper on my LSR, but 20 chinese units might have been a better deal


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kevin…..I went with the VW bit because that’s what other rig owners recommended. My first real trip (500+ miles) I got a wheel wobble leaving a gas stop…….first time it had happened and boy oh boy was that a surprise. 0 to maybe 15 mph and I was struggling to hold on. It smoothed out but I had to find a way to keep that from happening again. Asked around and came up with the VW dampener. Hadn’t had the wobble since ( only experienced it that one time…but that was enough)

BUT…….that unit you pictured looks like a trick….I’m going to lust after something like that….it’s a curse and this time around….your fault

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Originally Posted by kevin
iirc, that norman hyde brace was for disc brake models, bur something like it would be perfect

gordon, look up el cheapo chinese steering dampers on ebay. i use a cognito moto damper on my LSR, but 20 chinese units might have been a better deal


Steering dampers are unnecessary.


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Fist of all can I say that I admire people that go for the uncoventional ie fitting a sidecar to a bike that BSA never really intended to have one.But now that your project seems to be nearing completion you should may be start thinking about the handling of an outfit like yours, reading your first post you say that you are going to use it for your campnig adventures. So I assume that you are going to use the sidecar to carry your camping gear, if that is so then you need to realise that sidecars were designed to carry people and there will be a significant difference in weight between an adult in the sidecar and camping gear. This will have an effect on the handling over there in the USA your sidecar is going to be on the right hand side of the bike so going round right hand corners you will have to be careful that the sidecar wheel does not leave the ground otherwise you will lose complete control of the outfit. I am speaking from experience having in the past had a few scary moments when adjusting from riding solo to a combination. The previous post said that you do not need a steering damper well back in the day when I rode a few combinations one of the first things you did when fitting a sidecar was to tighten the steering damper you needed much stiffer steering than a solo machine to counteract steering wobble.

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photobob…. kevin dug up an old thread of mine. This thread started back in February of 2010.

The rig did around 4000 miles before I took it down for an engine rebuild. ( long story)

Today it’s waiting on an engine from Ed V. It’s engine is on the bench and is too pretty to put back in the bike ( told you it was a long story). I have upgraded the front end and now have a TLS brake up front.

You have never camped with me……we could change that? I carry a LOT of gear and you’d be surprised how much the kitchen sink weights. I didn’t have any problem with ballast. Even when I wasn’t camping I carry enough tools and spares that no extra weight was needed.

My experience is the same as yours when it comes to a steering dampener. I only experienced wheel wobble ( at very low speed) once but adding the dampener was a big plus on how the rig “felt” going down the road. To date no more wobble.

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Yes-- tighten the steering damper down hard.
If you then get a steering shake-- a bit like a tank slapper on a solo then accelerate--that gets rid of it.

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If you have a steering wobble your outfit is not adjusted correctly. The fix is simple. smile


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Originally Posted by Tridentman
Yes-- tighten the steering damper down hard.
If you then get a steering shake-- a bit like a tank slapper on a solo then accelerate--that gets rid of it.

I realize we’re talking about two different things?

Adjustable steering dampener vs a dampening strut?

My B44 didn’t come with a steering dampener. I added a dampening strut to stiffen up the steering……..so maybe they are doing the same job? I’ve never had a bike ( that I remember?) that had an adjustable steering dampener.

The wobble I experienced was on start up and like Tridentman said……increasing speed smoothed it out. I believe if it would have happened at 50-60 mph I might not be here typing.

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dammit, ive been trying to put these pictures up for thirty minutes. slow-fi tonight

im not concerned about setup. you learn as much as you can, put it on, mess with it, learn more.

this indian one is in texas, just a no-frills tub with simple four-point frame mount, no fancy stuff, but looks like it could easily be adapted to a subframe. 20-gauge sheet metal, not fibreglas.

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frame is just a rectangle , swingarm has a vertical pillar to mount the upper end of the shock.

current price is US$2200, including shipping and universal mounts


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my kids race a 250 ninja that has a tendency to wobble. even with a straight chassis, correctly loaded steering head bearings , no odd weights, it will shake its head gently at 40mph and oscillate to a tank slapper if not restrained. a single fingertip on the bars will prevent the wobble.

the little ninjas are famous for this. the only cure for mine is a new front tire, no matter how much rubber is left to go. i get about 1000 to 1500 miles before the wobble reappears. il experiment with dampers eventually, but for the moment i just tell the kids to keep their hands on the bars.

i use dampers on whatever i race as well. sometimes the rules require them. i fell down at 115mph once on my bonneville because of a wobble, so i take them seriously.


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Originally Posted by kevin
dammit, ive been trying to put these pictures up for thirty minutes. slow-fi tonight

im not concerned about setup. you learn as much as you can, put it on, mess with it, learn more.

this indian one is in texas, just a no-frills tub with simple four-point frame mount, no fancy stuff, but looks like it could easily be adapted to a subframe. 20-gauge sheet metal, not fibreglas.

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[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]

frame is just a rectangle , swingarm has a vertical pillar to mount the upper end of the shock.

current price is US$2200, including shipping and universal mounts

The price is ok I suppose, but what puts me off about that particular model is that it's a pita to get in and out, and I think the seat cushion is very low so that you are virtually lying down, if you know what I mean.

Inder make a knock off of the old German design. With that you can step in and out with ease, and ( I think ) you can sit down properly. The price should be comparable with the one you are considering.

Heres a video showing the sidecar I was talking about. He needs to start all over again with fixing it to his bike. I would not take that out on the road. smile


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How about this one ?

I think it's a better sidecar than the Indian one, and it has a $1300 buy it now price. Not 100% sure but I think the seller is in the US.


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Pureblood wrote “Heres a video showing the sidecar I was talking about. He needs to start all over again with fixing it to his bike. I would not take that out on the road. smile



Photographic proof……..it’s not as easy as one might think. wink or at least as some might think

My guess is that thing will go down the road……but his mounts are an absolute mess IMO. He starts out with his front lower looking okay…then it all goes to hell But…..he thinks it’s good enough to actually document it…..kinda reminds me of a build thread on here recently.

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Originally Posted by Gordon Gray
Photographic proof……..it’s not as easy as one might think. wink or at least as some might think

My guess is that thing will go down the road……but his mounts are an absolute mess IMO. He starts out with his front lower looking okay…then it all goes to hell But…..he thinks it’s good enough to actually document it…..kinda reminds me of a build thread on here lately.

The upright connection thing looks familiar.


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Originally Posted by Pureblood
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Photographic proof……..it’s not as easy as one might think. wink or at least as some might think

My guess is that thing will go down the road……but his mounts are an absolute mess IMO. He starts out with his front lower looking okay…then it all goes to hell But…..he thinks it’s good enough to actually document it…..kinda reminds me of a build thread on here lately.

The upright connection thing looks familiar.

Where he has a universal mount standing upright? Very clever. cool

To quote the builder “Its quite a job”

More like……..” I started off with the front lower strut mount on the opposite side of the bike……by the time I got over to the chair side…..the mushrooms started kicking in” laughing

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