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Originally Posted by flgoff
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Dude!....snip....and waving goodbye as you turned out of my driveway, but even that was definitely my pleasure!....snip Floyd aka Sonny



It seems more and more these days, my leaving brings out the smiles???????????????? laughing


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Just a quick update...I have the sidecar tug ready (1967 B44VR) but I have the Three State Mountain Ride coming up in a week and I'm going to use that week at the campground to shake it down. THEN after the weekend...I'll either be working on the VR or attaching the sidecar to it. Keeping my fingers crossed.

I figure those group rides out of the campground...will not be a good place to learn how to drive a sidecar rig...I'll save that for safer time....for everybody.

Set up soon to follow......(hopefully)...subframe's painted and ready to go. Tire has been replaced on the car.

Take care....your friend in NC, USA Gordon Gray

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About 35 years ago I built a sidecar frame that worked out very well....I can't remember a lot of the details but I do remember that I attached the frame to the bike at the bottom using heim type ball ends with male threads on the shank for adjustment and about midways at the single top attachment I used a turnbuckle to adjust the lean..I later built what was essentially a turnbuckle with a reversible DC motor drive...That way I could trim the sidecar lean angle to make it track straight at any speed...Wish I had some pictures and memory from that time period is a little fuzzy ...You are doing very well on the sidehack project...I built a tube frame and fabric covered mine except for the plywood floor...I'm working on a deal now for a B50SS and had thoughts about another sidecar..
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Hey Ed, Sorry I missed your post back when you posted it. I've been working out of town and pretty much away from the computer.

Man oh man.....adjust lean on the go??? Now that is to cool...I would have REALLY liked to see that in person.

I'm still plugging along on my project....work and life have got in the way but I'm slowly getting back to where I can do some work on the sidecar rig.....so I'll post updates soon.

Thanks for taking the time to share.....good luck with the B50SS and let us have a peek if and when you get a chance.

Take care....Gordon Gray in NC, USA


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For those of you that have been following this project...and figured I had dropped of the face of the Earth...I'm still here and the project is just about to start moving forward (pun intended) again.

I was waiting until I got the Three State Mountain Ride behind me before I set up the rig....BUT I got called back to work and have been pulling 12 hour days...two weeks at a time since I went back...all away from home. So by the time I get to come home I'm busy catching up on grass mowing and stuff and there little time for motorcycles. BUT...there was another small setback. If you remembered, the bike I'm using as a tug hadn't been running for a couple of years ( down with a busted main case)....but was back together and running for the Three State...ran fine...needed a little tweaking in the tuning department but I was pleased with the way it was running.....BUT...the liner (Hursh) in the tank started to break down and the tank was suffering from the newer gas we have to deal with. So I've been working on that problem and with the help from my friend Don Roe I think I'm almost ready to have the bike running again. I'll probably get a chance to actually attach the car to the bike next weekend....stay tuned for pictures and an update.

Take care.....your friend in NC, USA Gordon Gray

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Hey Gordon... stop screwing around with that "space age" thermoglastic stuff and spend some of that money you're packing away on an Evan Wilcox sculptured alloy tank...

Get it together soon or you won't be sliding around corners until the snow flies..
not that there would be anything wrong with that! laugh

Take care, keep working!


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Originally Posted by D.Bachtel
Hey Gordon... stop screwing around with that "space age" thermoglastic stuff and spend some of that money you're packing away on an Evan Wilcox sculptured alloy tank...snip....


Man that would be sweet....I hate lined/fiberglass but just can't seem to to put my hands on a steel one just yet. BTW....I had to sell 6 (six) alloy tanks while I was laid off. It's gona take me a long time to replace those.

I'm working on it.....and will report soon. GG


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Want a loner tank for the meantime? They ship pretty cheap...
Email me if interested.

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Originally Posted by D.Bachtel
Want a loner tank for the meantime? They ship pretty cheap...Email me if interested.Don in Nipomo


No buddy I think I can live with the relined fiberglass for now. Alex was telling me that the WDB40 uses a steel tank...and is maybe the same as the earlier twins??? I owe him a B25 engine and when I get around to taking it to him I'll be able to see what he's talking about.
Hmmmm???? come to think of it....I'll be at his house (or nrxt door?) this coming weekend and there's a chance I'll be able to see it then. I do like the looks of that set up....not as much as the stock tank but I REALLY don't like the glass tanks.

Tanks for the offer....I'll get by for now with what I have waiting for me as soon as I go get it.

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Goob, I think the WDB40 tank was the same as the '70 B25 and the Fleetstar...

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Originally Posted by Steve Erickson
Goob, I think the WDB40 tank was the same as the '70 B25 and the Fleetstar...


OP...you're probably right.

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I'm thinking I might have misunderstood him and what he was sayiong was that he had a early model twin tank (pre unit) that they fit on Jim's B40...and it fit.

But for now....I gota go...I'm headed back to Sylva, NC so I can get up at 5am and get to work on time.

Rich and Barb.....I owe ya BOTH a return mail....and if I have service tomorrow...I'll get back to ya.

Take care.....your friend in NC, USA Gordon Gray aka Goob


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I've seen the preunit twin tank on a Victor before, one with the small round badges.
It did look good....


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Gordon, I was out at Brushy Mtn. this weekend so hadn't seen your post. Yes, the tank I have is a small A10 tank and smaller than the WDB40 tank (which is VERY similar to the larger A10 tank). I guess that's why the tank fit Jim's WD very well while his stock tank was getting painted. You're certainly welcome to that tank (though I have to get it here from Florida...I figured out this weekend that I had given it to my friend Scott who was going to use it as a guinea pig for his plating operation), but those WD B40 tanks aren't exactly rare....I might be able to come up with one of those. I'll be in touch.


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Hey hey hey.....and you thought you'd heard the last of the unit single side car thread...heh????? It has been on hold for several months....but has always been on my mind and I'm moving slowly...but still moving.

If you've been following my latest adventures you know I have my 1967 B44VR with me in Sylva, NC and have been enjoying the roads around that area. I had orginally set the VR up as my side car tug....but after thinking it over I want to keep the VR as it is so that means I need to build another unit single for the tug.

I got a frame from Alex (of Ton-up racing fame)...a 1968 B44SS frame. I needed a SS/VR frame because my subframe (see the thread above) attaches to the centerstand lugs on the frame and are an important part of the puzzle.

I have all the bits to put tthe tug together but I'm still up in the air as to which front end to use. I want BSA..not OIF BSA but the stock set up for the pre OIF. I don't have a 1968 front wheel (8" full width SLS)....or the later TLS. But I'm thinking this is the way I would like to go????(TLS) My BSA unit single guru is away for the holidays so I thought I'd ask the unit single experts on here for their opinion.

For a side car set up on a BSA unit single (64-70) which front end/front wheel set up would be best???

There are several to choose from...QD or caps, 7" offset, 8" offset, 8" full width SLS, 8" full width TLS...I want to stay away from the early full hub (Enduro Star) type.

Also....I'm clueless about the different front ends...would any capped lower work with the late model TLS???

Thanks in advance.....I'm going to get to try this thing out one way or the other...just need a little more time and help.

Take care.....Gordon Gray in NC, USA (aka GooberG)

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That sidecar is adding a lot of weight so 8" TLS is the way to go IMHO. The capped ends will work as long as the bracket engages the notch on the brake plate, this may restrict you to 69/70 capped fork ends as they have the longest reaching brackets. So you will havee a choice of rod 2 way damping or shuttle valve, the yokes set the distance apart which must match the 2 grooves on the axle but you can add new grooves if required.

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Originally Posted by kommando
That sidecar is adding a lot of weight so 8" TLS is the way to go IMHO. The capped ends will work as long as the bracket engages the notch on the brake plate, this may restrict you to 69/70 capped fork ends as they have the longest reaching brackets. So you will havee a choice of rod 2 way damping or shuttle valve, the yokes set the distance apart which must match the 2 grooves on the axle but you can add new grooves if required.


Thanks kommando...I was thinking the TLS was the way to go...of course that's one brake plate/wheel/front end I don't have so I'll have to see if I can find one (anybody???).

I got around to pulling out my spare front ends to see just what I had....geeze I knew a "little" about the difference in these...but now I'm sorta clueless to what bike some of these go to. I guess I need a wheel(TLS)first to see if they will work with the capped forks I have. I seem to have at least two types...so far all I see that's different is an extra tab for a fender brace????

The fun never ends..... laughing

Thanks again for taking the time to reply....have a safe and happy holiday....Gordon in NC....who's looking for a complete 18" TLS front wheel for a 1969-70 BSA B44SS.

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The notch on the capped fork will engage both the 7" and 8" brakeplates if it is long enough. A late Triumph 500 may give you an 18" wheel with a 8" TLS, never seen one but I have seen ref to them, if not the 19" rim comes with the 8" and the 18" rim comes with the 7" brake.

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and did we never see the finished combination?

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Gordon,
What's with the name change or am I the hundredth guy to ask? I have a TLS on my 68 B44SS that is dressed out like a VS cause of leaking tank issues. I think it came off a 70. I don't remember any issues fitting it up. A pic worth anything to you?

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gordon, this explains a whole bunch


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Why could you not use the downtube to attach the upper sidecar strut, instead of the long piece of box tube ? Just trying to understand the logic behind it.


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I’m by no means an expert. This was my first and only sidecar attachment.

I did lots of reading and had wonderful advice from folks like Don, RIP Craig ( aka Bonzo) and RIP Barb. All of them had BTDT.

The simple answer to your question is…. I could have used the down tube as an attachment because I have some of the universal Velorex mounts. But I didn’t want to for a couple of reasons.

Back when I first started the project I was asking for photos of other unit singles with chairs so I could copy their attachment. None showed up. I believe it was Don who sent a photo of a unit single rig but it didn’t show how it was attached. It just didn’t look right. Kinda of a weird stance. Don (?) said he was pretty sure the bikes’s frame was bent. That rig used universal mounts. Along the same time RIP Craig (aka Bonzo) told be he used the same attachments on his A65 but because of the rough roads he traveled (Detroit) they would loosen AND he was pretty sure he had actually tweaked his engine cases because of the sidecar. All along I had been following a fellows build on ADV Rider ( still a great source of sidecar info) and he was completing his subframe……he actually had all 4 attachment points on his sub frame.

So it was an informed decision to NOT directly attach the sidecar to frame. Since I needed the lowers……the uppers were simple. 4000 miles later ( down for an engine rebuild….long story) I can say that there is absolutely no damage to the frame at all.

You are 100% correct that you can ( and people do) use the universal mounts for all 4 points……but I didn’t want to use any of them or any of my frame tubes and I’m happy with the results.

As far as set up…….you and I are miles apart there.


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Originally Posted by Gordon Gray
I’m by no means an expert. This was my first and only sidecar attachment.

I did lots of reading and had wonderful advice from folks like Don, RIP Craig ( aka Bonzo) and RIP Barb. All of them had BTDT.

The simple answer to your question is…. I could have used the down tube as an attachment because I have some of the universal Velorex mounts. But I didn’t want to for a couple of reasons.

Back when I first started the project I was asking for photos of other unit singles with chairs so I could copy their attachment. None showed up. I believe it was Don who sent a photo of a unit single rig but it didn’t show how it was attached. It just didn’t look right. Kinda of a weird stance. Don (?) said he was pretty sure the bikes’s frame was bent. That rig used universal mounts. Along the same time RIP Craig (aka Bonzo) told be he used the same attachments on his A65 but because of the rough roads he traveled (Detroit) they would loosen AND he was pretty sure he had actually tweaked his engine cases because of the sidecar. All along I had been following a fellows build on ADV Rider ( still a great source of sidecar info) and he was completing his subframe……he actually had all 4 attachment points on his sub frame.

So it was an informed decision to NOT directly attach the sidecar to frame. Since I needed the lowers……the uppers were simple. 4000 miles later ( down for an engine rebuild….long story) I can say that there is absolutely no damage to the frame at all.

You are 100% correct that you can ( and people do) use the universal mounts for all 4 points……but I didn’t want to use any of them or any of my frame tubes and I’m happy with the results.

it looks as if everything is attached to the frame underneath the engine, and that's what puzzled me. I could not understand why anyone would put all the stress in one area. Now I know. smile

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As far as set up…….you and I are miles apart there.
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My main subframe is attached to the center stand lugs, lower engine mount ( both sides of the frame) upper engine mount and at the stiffing plate at the headstock. The rear upper subframe is attached to the upper shock mount and a grade 8 bolt through the swing arm spindle. So that’s a total of 6 hard connections spread across the frame

How in the world can you see that as “….all the stress in one area”?

Set up…..I was replying to what you wrote about set up in your thread. I got and took my set up advice from one of the premiere side car people here in the states. When I asked him for advise……..he ended sending me a huge package of information and instructions. That combined with the Velorex set up information is what I followed.

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Originally Posted by Gordon Gray
How in the world can you see that as “….all the stress in one area”?

I was going on what I noticed with a quick butchers at the pictures. Having said that after having looked again I am still of the opinion that the majority of the stress is around the same area given that the upper front mounting lug is effectively connected to the lower part of the frame. It looks a bit like making a mountain out of a molehill to me, but if it works then fine, more power to you. smile

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Set up…..I was replying to what you wrote about set up in your thread. I got and took my set up advice from one of the premiere side car people here in the states. When I asked him for advise……..he ended sending me a huge package of information and instructions. That combined with the Velorex set up information is what I followed.

Gotcha, thread confusion.

" a huge package of information and instructions " for an easy and simple job ?


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