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#110171 02/16/07 9:27 pm
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In 40 years of riding, buying, wrenching on, and restoring British motorcycles I have never have had as many problems with one particular shop in Chicago. I ordered parts 9 monthes ago.

I do not believe in bad mouthing. I am the most patient customer one couild have. They not only charged my credit card but still owe me $900 in parts. I live 12 hours away so it is hard for me to deal with these guys. No returned calls. No returned email. Nothing. They can not pay me what they owe (they claim they are broke) and can not put the money back on my card because it has been to long.

The guys i use all the time know who this person is. What a sad way to run a business. I work hard for my money and 99.9% of the parts dealers out there are excellent.

If the parts are not in stock do not charge the card real easy and that is how it is done.

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corsican26,
'Do not use these guys', 'one particular shop in Chicago' if there is more than one Brit bike shop in Chicago, and anyone is to heed your advice narrowing it down a little might be an idea. What you describe is theft, is there no law that will recover your money? Or will the credit card people not do something about recovering it?


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do a search here with "chicago" in it.....its been well documented :bigt:


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#110174 02/17/07 12:42 am
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This individual has been identified on other forums.
Check out the classic,vintage,veteran forum under the classic and cruisers forums on Triumphrat.net.
At the top of the page is a permanent topic entitled
good/bad parts suppliers.


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#110175 02/17/07 2:55 am
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This guy is a complete git. Do not buy any parts from Chicago. He is notorious for screwing people over.

Check this out:

http://www.britbike.com/ubb/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?/ubb/get_topic/f/51/t/002174.html


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#110176 02/17/07 3:11 am
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Jones -
You've been robbed.

You have 6 months to challenge any credit card charge in most states. Unfortunately, your allotted time has passed. In the future be on your toes by month 4.

If any of this was done over the internet or using the US Mail, then you still can get them by charging them with fraud. Theft by deception is what it is.

At the very least, I'd fill out the forms on the Chicago Bettter Business Bureau web site at http://chicago.bbb.org/ You'll need that credit card statement, so save it.

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#110178 02/17/07 3:47 am
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....or parts to compensate.
I know which parts I'd go after!


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His latest follie of answers is the parts are hung up in customs. Man he's a winner.Something should be done with this guy. Perhaps if everyone stopped buying off him? Although this site has a good many members there are still others who have not heard of him.How do you reach them? Sooner rather than later ol' marshell will trip up good and pay the piper. It's just to bad that more will be on the losing end rather than recieving.

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It took me six months to get my money back from this scumbag. I have heard Marshall goes to swap meets. I have been checking EVERYWHERE I can to have the oppurtunity to meet him in person.

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I'm sure he will be in Detroit on the 25th of this month.

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Go to Detroit, find something that you want and take it.

Old Machiavelli reckoned only a fool obtains with violence that which may be obtained by stealth.

Dunno about the legalities but if you were to head to Detroit and spend $900.00 on your plastic, take the parts and then reverse the transaction ?

Basically his word against your's that the goods were not returned, I would not ordinarily suggest that style of doing business but it is a better alternative than violence.

As window dressing I would ship him a box of junk a week after the swap meet, you then get a proof of delivery signature from the freight company and reverse the card transaction.


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And on a completely different angle, what can you get the police to do about it? It is crime.
Outside a club here one night a drunk guy who'd been kicked out for good reasons, vandalized the doormans 4W/drive down in the carpark, he called the Cops they came and said 'Unless someone is prepared to testify they saw him do it we cannot do anything' I told them I saw it, I'd walked out to check on my van and saw him struggling to snap off an expensive F/glass ariel which he did. The cops knew the drunk and asked the doorman what his ariel was worth and assured him he'd get the money for a new one, I think they told him to just go to the courthouse and get the money and they'd go collect it from the drunk. That seemed pretty simple.
Maybe everyone with a grievance with this trader, as in, is owed money or long overdue parts, should get together and take it to the Cops, thats their job, evidence and honest testimony should work?


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I think the NSW cops had some leverage Mark, like a criminal damage charge and at conviction an order for restitution.

What this bloke does is across state lines and apparently involves federal statutes and maybe therfore the FBI or US Postal Service if they have a prosecution arm.

The grub appears to be getting away with his behaviour because it consists of lots of relatively small value complaints, all of which must be dealt with seperately at law.

The system is geared towards nailing the Gordon Gecko types rather than the bottom feeders.

There is no hardcase old Police Sergeant poking him in the chest and explaining the no win alternatives, which is I bet what happened in the case you described.

Nailing this bloke would be like catching a nasty ferret, wave one hand as bait and grab the bugger by the scruff of the neck with the other when he lunges.


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I have a limited understanding of how ebay works as I don't use it. Could frustrated customers not create new ebuyer identities so as to protect their own positive feedback and hound Marshall every time he tries to sell an item by way of "ask the seller a question":
"Aren't you Marshall Hagy of whom there are numerous threads complaining about on Britbike.com?"
Could that work?
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eBay encourages the fencing of stolen goods. I know because one of their clients attempted to fence serial numbered goods that were stolen from me (through failure of delivery by another eBay client) and even after I provided eBay with proof that the goods belonged to me from a previous auction, they happily reinstated the auction and replied to my objections with form letters.

I did finally get my goods through threats and coercion five thousand miles away over the phone amazingly enough, by threatening the involvement of the FBI and post office to prosecute mail fraud which is a federal crime. I got a personal phone call from the original criminal's husband asking me for my address, and in exchange for no longer harassing her, the goods arrived within a week in good order.

Those two are a couple of Nashville residents that won't be messing with Canadians anytime soon.


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After starting this thread I forgot to tell you all this. My brother in law is from Chicago and he works for the state income and business divsion. What he does is close businesses down.

I have told these guys already about him. So i guess i will sick him on them with a list of parts i can get or the money.

My last resort I guess. In the end I think he will go out of business I will make sure of it.


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For those of you wishing to see Marshall "personally," he sells at the AMA Vintage Days meet at Mid-Ohio Race Track (Lexington, Ohio) in late July, at the Antique Motorcycle Club of America's meet at Davenport, Iowa on Labor Day weekend, at the Midwest Antique & Classic Motorcycle Club's annual meet in Belvedere, Ill. the last Sunday in September, at at many of Walneck's swap meets. Hope this helps.

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hh, I have an idea who the Nashville couple to whom you refer are; but would like to verify. Please P.M. me to expose the people who are giving our city a bad name. There is no reason to cheat people except out of pure greed! Sooner or later, it will catch up with you, even if you have political connections.

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One of my customers said he has an Ebay store under a different name. Anyone know about it?


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Originally posted by Ton Up Les:
One of my customers said he has an Ebay store under a different name. Anyone know about it?
Les, see the thread at "British bikes in general" re his different/ever-changing i.d.s

& there's also a running thread at Rod & Tappet.

the more publicity the better.

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Just a word of caution about paying the shop a visit intent on getting you money back. The motorcycle dealership that I worked for was loaded with hidden weapons all over the store. The owner was a gun collector and had prepared for any type of robbery attempt. The legend had it that a club member pulled a gun on him and refused to pay for service. The owner confident that this guy would be dead before he reached the door didn't even flinch. The situation was diffused by one of the club members brothers who knew of the weapons cahce behind every counter. I didn't witnss this personally but I was shown the assault weapons once.
You just never know who your dealing with. In the same shop the mechanic who worked next to me kept a loaded handgun in his toolboox and the janitor (undercover security) was always carrying a weapon. I feel sorry for the schmuck who thinks these old guys are an easy target and tries to steal a bike.
Go through the legal channels. If you must demand your money back in person be prepared and expect the worst.

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I was also a victim of this guy about 4 months ago. I managed to get a refund after the 2nd time I spoke with him. I made sure he was aware that I was aggravated and I threatened notification to BBB and a hellfire of negative posts on the internet about his operation.

-Jamie


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the more publicity the better.

Unless you are some poor innocent slob, who just happens to live in Chicago, who wants to sell something off a British bike on ebay... Now do they have recourse? :rolleyes:

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