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#714270 - 11/08/17 2:36 pm 500T trials Norton  
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Hi All,

made a tentative deal, sight unseen on a basket case Norton 500T trials bike.
Are there any members here that currently own one?

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#714559 - 11/10/17 10:19 pm Re: 500T trials Norton [Re: 57nortonmodel77]  
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It goes without saying Skip that near any project Norton is worth buying, if the price is right/reasonable.

Don Morley's book on these is well worth a look, he has owned and ridden all these types of bikes, and his comments are well worth reading. It should be obvious that the 500T is somewhat porky, even with the alloy head and cylinder, so if you actually want to ride it (in trials) then it helps if you are superman !
For riding around the burbs, then it is is little different to a Model 18 - rigid rear end and all.
The alloy motors are known for being somewhat noisy

I've got a Enfield prewar compy 500 (project), Enfields were pretty strong in prewar trials, probably give you a run for your money. Don't discount that trials back then were mostly long distance road riding, that stuff in the creek beds etc is a different event entirely, and the 500T was rather a late comer - although prewar Nortons could be ordered to trials specs.
Hopethishelps,abit.

P.S. even manx nortons were offered with an 'optional lighting kit' (in the brochure, late 1940s).
Whether anyone actually bought such a thing was a another matter ?

#714593 - 11/11/17 3:05 am Re: 500T trials Norton [Re: Rohan]  
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Thanks Rohan,
I do have a lot of Don's books, on fact he owned a 500T & Don Morley called Norton’s 500T “the finest rigid trials machine to be produced by any factory.”
I had a friend with one with a trials sidecar. It was a beast! A lot heavier than the Bultaco Alpina I was riding smile

I may take this out for some trials events, beginner lines of course. Would probably win a trophy for the rigid class, as no one else would enter a rigid trials bike smile

Hopefully the deal goes off without a hitch, I nee to cross international borders with it, but its in pieces, so that will make it easier. I auctuall made a deal on a '61 slimline ES2 basketcase, and found out after the fact he was interested in selling a 500T. Buy 'em when you find 'em.

All the best,

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#714674 - 11/11/17 10:15 pm Re: 500T trials Norton [Re: 57nortonmodel77]  
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Indeedy, Mr Morley did say that.
But as you note, and as we all know, the operative word here is 'rigid frame'.

After Enfields came out in the late 1940s with the Bullet with swinging arm suspension, and proved it could work and won whole bucketfuls of gold medals, every manufacturer rushed a swingarm model into their trails teams - and model ranges. But not Nortons, who were the odd man out here. So no surprises that the last ever new rigid frame model to appear was the best. And they made great sidecar machines, as we have seen elsewhere.
http://cybermotorcycle.com/gallery/norton-1951/images/Norton-1951-catalogue-12.jpg

That said, I'd love to have one, but they seem a rare bird here - pukka trials events didn't really boom here ?
The bones of a prewar Enfield is the best of what I came across, and that was only by accident..

Have fun !

#714695 - 11/12/17 12:09 am Re: 500T trials Norton [Re: 57nortonmodel77]  
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When my friend Mike Hosafros was on his 500T riding at vintage trials events, I rode a 250cc Bultaco Alpina. I changed the sprockets to give it more of a SherpaT gearing. Loved the bike, and of course they turned the trials industry on its ear probably more than any other trials bike. In 1964 when Sammy Miller worked with Bultaco & he rode the Sherpa-T, he made all other English trials machines redundant & of course change trials events forever. He won the Scottish in '65 & the rest is history as they say. It was the start of a chain of successes that would lead to 15 years of domination of the sport, with Bultaco winning the European Trials Championship (later World Championship) nine times between 1968 and 1979.

Having said that, something about a 4 stroke vintage English trials bike, that will always make me smile. One of the guys we rode with had an old Ariel trials bike with the exhaust directed to blow mud off the rear tire smile


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#714706 - 11/12/17 2:12 am Re: 500T trials Norton [Re: 57nortonmodel77]  
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I had a little H*nda trials bike - with some Sammy Miller influence (not really).. With a 150cc kit in it, and a 60T sprocket, it would just about climb trees (!). I just used it to round up the sheep. If the going got tough, you could pick it up and carry it out of trouble (not far though).

Sammy Miller on his lightweight Ariel GOV132 really shook up the big banger heavyweights, even before the lightweight 2 strokes took over.

Nortons were involved in Trials and ISDT for many a year.
Prewar catalog version, and a twin ISDT version (1952) - manx front brake and all.

http://cybermotorcycle.com/gallery/norton-1936/images/Norton-1936-Trials.jpg
https://speedtracktales.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/isdt-1952-ericwilson-ex-works-norton-500t.png
Cheers.

#714722 - 11/12/17 11:02 am Re: 500T trials Norton [Re: 57nortonmodel77]  
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Originally Posted by 57nortonmodel77
. One of the guys we rode with had an old Ariel trials bike with the exhaust directed to blow mud off the rear tire smile


That was one of Sammy Miller's tricks although probably more of a psychological advantage than real.

I once had the "privilege" of riding in a pre-65 trial with him. He preceded me through a section which was a few feet along a stream bed, then an acute turn up a bank then a greasy climb between some trees. Miller rode it, on his Ariel, as if it was a main road. I couldn't get out of the stream.......


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#714903 - 11/13/17 9:04 pm Re: 500T trials Norton [Re: Rohan]  
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Great story. !
I knew someone involved in trials, and to even see him ride his bike up into the back of the transport made it look so easy.

Originally Posted by Rohan

Nortons were involved in Trials and ISDT for many a year.


Came across this pic of the factory team on 500T's, knew it deserved a showing.
6 days, none of this 25 minutes of MotoGP....
Riders names are in the filename.

https://trialsguru.files.wordpress....h-john-draper-ray-biddle-photo.jpg?w=637

#715040 - 11/14/17 3:14 pm Re: 500T trials Norton [Re: 57nortonmodel77]  
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Great photo! I believe Jeff still has a '52 ES2 as well as some BSA's of course. Jeff Smith is a great guy, I usually see him in August at the Ohio Valley BSA meet. He comes in with his daughter (I think) who owns Motorsport publications, a magazine distributor. As far as I know, he still lives in Wausau, Wisconsin USA


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