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Re: Soon to be '53 mystery Triumph owner #98463
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my 56 TRW has the same levers, and all adjustment is at t'other end.
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Re: Soon to be '53 mystery Triumph owner #98464
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Thanks Mike. I know the originals are that way, but I know I have seen some aftermarket somewhere that had the thumbscrew adjutser. Maybe the flat blades will work on another lever assembly? Anyhow,I may en up just getting the original type. Any problems that you have run into with those type of cables?

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my 56 TRW has the same levers, and all adjustment is at t'other end.
Mike


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Re: Soon to be '53 mystery Triumph owner #98465
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Nope, the bike is mostly original 56 stuff, scavenged and scrounged when I assembled it in 1980. Have not changed much since then!
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Re: Soon to be '53 mystery Triumph owner #98466
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Great, thanks Mike.

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Re: Soon to be '53 mystery Triumph owner #98467
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I've got an appointment to see the bike this Sunday. Bringing a truck and cash!


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Re: Soon to be '53 mystery Triumph owner #98468
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Cool! If you're like me, you'll be staying awake at night thinking about it!

So Monday ( or possibly Sunday night ) we should get a report with pics? smile

Good luck!

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Re: Soon to be '53 mystery Triumph owner #98469
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Well, today was a huge letdown. It turns out that the dream I had a few weeks ago, about showing up to look at it and finding out that it was a chopper, was true. It's a 1954 TR5 engine, complete, but the frame is from who knows what, and it has a little bitty tank and really long forks. It was all torn apart, which makes it easy for me to throw everything out so I can sell the engine. Anyone interested?


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Re: Soon to be '53 mystery Triumph owner #98470
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noexit,

Reference post #9 last paragraph within this thread! Sorry to hear that you are not a proud 6T owner frown

Anyhow,before you start "throwing things out" why don't you post some pics ( good clear ones ) of what you have there and maybe...just maybe you might have something to work with. If you can't figure out the posting of pics to this site, then you are welcome to send the pics to my e-mail address: wwhitjonw@aol.com

I may be interested in the engine. Let me know how much in a private e-mail.

beerchug


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1971 TR6R Tiger 650
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Re: Soon to be '53 mystery Triumph owner #98471
08/28/06 3:32 am
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Here are some pictures of the bike I bought today.
http://noexit.googlepages.com/triumphtr5


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Re: Soon to be '53 mystery Triumph owner #98472
08/28/06 6:54 pm
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Is that a (altered) rigid Triumph frame? Can you un-chop these things? A Pre-unit TR5 is a valuable antique- what a mess they made of that one!

The presence of the alternator points to a 5T or T100 crank (or even a 650 one!. Wonder if there's a cush drive in the clutch? It would have been on the end of the crank, originally.

The back brake looks like Ariel type, as used on late 50s BSAs.


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Re: Soon to be '53 mystery Triumph owner #98473
08/28/06 8:20 pm
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I don't think it's a triumph frame. The serial numbers listed, which I put on the site where the pictures are posted ( F4810 (or F4610), and D2549), don't seem to be triumph. I don't really know anything about these bikes though. The joints and engine mounts are cast. It doesn't really look like the geometry of the frame has been altered. It may have been a purpose built chopper frame?

Those valve covers aren't stock are they? How about a Lucas Competition Magneto? These and the "Connelly Cam, Portland Ore." badge suggest that it may have been hopped up a bit.


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Re: Soon to be '53 mystery Triumph owner #98474
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Sound like Triumph cast numbers (not part numbers), I'm guessing that it is a Triumph frame.

Re: Soon to be '53 mystery Triumph owner #98475
08/28/06 8:44 pm
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Quote:
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Those valve covers aren't stock are they? How about a Lucas Competition Magneto? These and the "Connelly Cam, Portland Ore." badge suggest that it may have been hopped up a bit.
Those finned valve covers are a popular gimmick. Still available from Unity Equipe.

Competition magnetos belong on competition bikes like TR5s.

There could be absolutely any kind of cams in there.


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Re: Soon to be '53 mystery Triumph owner #98476
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I posted more pics of the frame at http://noexit.googlepages.com/triumphtr5 . There's so much bondo that it's hard to tell what's under it all.


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Re: Soon to be '53 mystery Triumph owner #98477
08/28/06 9:17 pm
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You can melt/burn most of that garbage off with a propane torch. Though it looks like there's so much of it, you may want to chisel some off first.

Re: Soon to be '53 mystery Triumph owner #98478
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Yes, it is a Triumph 650 Duplex 1960-1962 frame with a bolt on rigid rear frame section.

D2549 = 1960 frame

If it's a 1954 TR5, the crank will accept an alternator. 1954 did not use the cush drive up front (starting in 1953). Competition magneto should have been standard on that machine from the get-go.

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1971 TR6R Tiger 650
1970 BSA A65F 650
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Re: Soon to be '53 mystery Triumph owner #98479
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Hey Jon- Thanks, did'nt know that stuff. So, is a 54 TR5 a spring frame bike?


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Re: Soon to be '53 mystery Triumph owner #98480
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TT,
The '54 TR5 retained the (TR5) rigid frame for 1954 as well as the 5T and 6T staying with rigid frames. Only the T110 and T100 had the swing-arm frame. 1954 was the last year for production TR5's with rigid frames.

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Hey Jon- Thanks, did'nt know that stuff. So, is a 54 TR5 a spring frame bike?


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1968 T100R Daytona 500
1971 TR6R Tiger 650
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1955 Tiger 100 - Project

Re: Soon to be '53 mystery Triumph owner #98481
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Quote:
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The '54 TR5 retained the (TR5) rigid frame for 1954
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From the photos, it looked like a short chaincase to me, but I can't tell very well.


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Re: Soon to be '53 mystery Triumph owner #98482
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It is, because the previous owner of this chopper when it was together was running it in a later Duplex frame. This required the swing-arm model inner and outer primary covers as well as the use of the swing-arm rear engine/transmission plates.
He's also using a later transmission...at least inner and outer covers anyway.

beerchug


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1971 TR6R Tiger 650
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Re: Soon to be '53 mystery Triumph owner #98483
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Good engine and box for some sort of special, eh?


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Re: Soon to be '53 mystery Triumph owner #98484
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Actually both rigid and swing arm framed models were available right thru 1955. I actually have a 1955 rigid frame 6T. Check out the following model/price sheet:


1948 3T Deluxe
1948 5T SpeedTwin
1948 Tiger 100
1954 TR5
1955 6TAC Thunderbird (Blackbird)
1956 TR6 Trophybird
1965 T120R Bonneville
1967 T100R Daytona
Re: Soon to be '53 mystery Triumph owner #98485
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Here is the 1955 model/price sheet:




1948 3T Deluxe
1948 5T SpeedTwin
1948 Tiger 100
1954 TR5
1955 6TAC Thunderbird (Blackbird)
1956 TR6 Trophybird
1965 T120R Bonneville
1967 T100R Daytona
Re: Soon to be '53 mystery Triumph owner #98486
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1948 3T Deluxe
1948 5T SpeedTwin
1948 Tiger 100
1954 TR5
1955 6TAC Thunderbird (Blackbird)
1956 TR6 Trophybird
1965 T120R Bonneville
1967 T100R Daytona
Re: Soon to be '53 mystery Triumph owner #98487
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Here is my rigid frame 1955 6T:



1948 3T Deluxe
1948 5T SpeedTwin
1948 Tiger 100
1954 TR5
1955 6TAC Thunderbird (Blackbird)
1956 TR6 Trophybird
1965 T120R Bonneville
1967 T100R Daytona
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