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P-11 Info? #73668
02/22/08 3:02 am
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Hello Everyone,

I own a N15CS and have had a great time restoring it the past three years. I'm pretty much done and have really enjoyed the project. My goal was to put it back to the same as a '67 Norton N15CS that I bought new in 1967. It looks and runs great. I look a little bigger on the bike than I used to. Hmmmm..

My good friend has a very nice '67 P-11 and we are both wondering if anyone out there has any information on production numbers of the aluminum tank and fender P-11's. The bike came out of California and probably was raced in the desert. We have heard most of the P-11's were shipped to California for racing.

If any of you Norton Veterans want to share some info on that, we would appreciate it.

Thanks and safe riding,

Bruce Younglove
Lincoln, NE

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Re: P-11 Info? #73670
02/22/08 3:59 am
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Originally posted by Bruce Younglove:
Hello Everyone,

I own a N15CS and have had a great time restoring it the past three years. I'm pretty much done and have really enjoyed the project. My goal was to put it back to the same as a '67 Norton N15CS that I bought new in 1967. It looks and runs great. I look a little bigger on the bike than I used to. Hmmmm..

My good friend has a very nice '67 P-11 and we are both wondering if anyone out there has any information on production numbers of the aluminum tank and fender P-11's. The bike came out of California and probably was raced in the desert. We have heard most of the P-11's were shipped to California for racing.

If any of you Norton Veterans want to share some info on that, we would appreciate it.

Thanks and safe riding,

Bruce Younglove
Lincoln, NE
Hi Bruce welcome.I also have a P-11 a 68 low pipe ,67 was the only yr to get high pipes to the best of my knowledge. One source of info would be www.motorbyte.com/nortonhybridpage.htm they have some production number's for hybrid's on there.Once you get on the site click on compendium link and that should give you what you are looking for, have fun. Mark

Re: P-11 Info? #73671
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I don't know why that link is not working, when I use that url if I type it in myself it take's me to the site, try typing it in yourself. The only aluminum tank I ever knew that Norton used on the P-11 was the early 67's, the tank was prone to breaking so they went to a steel tank, so if you have a aluminum fuel tank it might be aftermarket.If you ever take the motor out of the bike take alot of picture's,those motor's used alot of shim's to fasten it. That was one of the reason's Norton quit makeing the P-11 cause it took to many man hour's to assemble one. Mark

Re: P-11 Info? #73672
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Re: P-11 Info? #73673
02/22/08 6:05 am
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This is 1965 Norton. Is this your model? [img]http:// [img]http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/8702/img132tf2.jpg[/img] [/IMG]


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Re: P-11 Info? #73674
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Hello Bruce,

I have a '67 P11 still in the baskets and a '69 Ranger 750 complete, but in line for restoration. I have a buddy with at least 12 P11's and ton's of used pieces. He has owned and collected P11's for over 30 years.

There are not a lot of records on P11's and it appears that when parts were superceded, they often used which ever part was handy at the time. It is generally believed that the '67 P11 (also known as Cheetah in US) was the only model with aluminum fenders, aluminum oil tank, and high mount pipes. There were at least three model variations, '67 P11 (Cheetah), '68 P11A, '69 Ranger 750. With several examples of a mix of P11A and Ranger parts often called the P11A Ranger.

Anthony Curzon in the UK has the factory records on P11 builds. Mike Partridge (Walridge Motors, Canada) has a particular interest in hybrids and is a good source for parts. Randy Baxter (Baxter Cycles, Marne, Iowa) also is a good source.

There are puported to be 5 variation of the fuel tank (although I have only seen 3, two different frames, at least two different handlebars, two different swingarms, two different wheel styles, as well as the already mentioned oil tanks, and mudguards. All in less than three years production of less than 2500.


Ron L
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1974 850 Interstate
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Re: P-11 Info? #73675
02/22/08 1:55 pm
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Bruce,
See if you or your friend can pick up a back issue of August 2007 Classic Bike Guide. It does'nt mention aluminum tanks but is quite extensive otherwise.
Skeet


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Re: P-11 Info? #73676
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Thanks for the great replies. After reading this site for awhile before posting, I thought I would get a good response.

Noisy: Yes, that is my model... looks the same as my '67.

Ron L: Nice stable of Nortons there, I live just 100 miles from Baxter Bikes - have made a few trips to his shop... Good to work with..

Skeet: We'll check out that website.

Mark: Good info - thanks.

Gary: Not sure if the Aluminum tank on John's P-11 is original. He did buy an extra tank in California at a swap meet and was surprised to find it.

Thanks to all of you,

My family of the Youngloves came over to America from England in 1635 on the good ship "Hopewell" I believe they originated in Ipswich. Hope to visit someday... I've always thought it would be fun to drink a beer in an English pub out in the country, off the beaten path...

Bruce

Re: P-11 Info? #73677
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Bruce, there are 110 Youngloves registered on Genes Reunited in UK .Also lots of pubs!!

Re: P-11 Info? #73678
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Quote:
Originally posted by Bruce Younglove:
Thanks for the great replies. After reading this site for awhile before posting, I thought I would get a good response.

Noisy: Yes, that is my model... looks the same as my '67.

Ron L: Nice stable of Nortons there, I live just 100 miles from Baxter Bikes - have made a few trips to his shop... Good to work with..

Skeet: We'll check out that website.

Mark: Good info - thanks.

Gary: Not sure if the Aluminum tank on John's P-11 is original. He did buy an extra tank in California at a swap meet and was surprised to find it.

Thanks to all of you,

My family of the Youngloves came over to America from England in 1635 on the good ship "Hopewell" I believe they originated in Ipswich. Hope to visit someday... I've always thought it would be fun to drink a beer in an English pub out in the country, off the beaten path...

Bruce
That's quite a history on your family sound's like they've been here awhile. I think you better look at that picture of the above Norton hybrid again,if you have a P-11 that is not your bike in the picture.Other people have made that same mistake , confusing the two model's.While both frame's are A.M.C. frames's they are different, the P=11 had the G-85 frame. Look right below the left cylinder and see if it say's P-11 along with the serial #. Check and see if the brake's are Norton or Matchless style. Also look at the oil tank and see if it is triangular in shape or what they call kidney shaped. I have a 64 G-15CS Matchless like the above , has the wider seat and upswept tip's on the straight pipe's and the valanced fender's,cheer's. Mark

Re: P-11 Info? #73679
02/24/08 12:18 am
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Mark,

I do have a bike like that in the magazine pic. Mine is a '67 N15CS. The P-11 is my good friend's bike and that is the one we are both wondering about production numbers. The info provided to me in this thread has helped much and thank you all...

I have learned a lot just by reading the various posts on this board. Wished I had found it sooner.

BY


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Re: P-11 Info? #73680
02/26/08 2:51 am
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Bruce I went back and reread your post and I stand corrected. I thought Noisy Norton was making reference to your friend's P-11 sorry. Mark

Re: P-11 Info? #73681
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I've got that magazine road test from Cycle World. I believe that is the Norton Scrambler which was the forerunner of the Norton N15CS/ Matchless G15CS.

I've got a '67 Matchless G15CS Scrambler. Then there is the P-11, the Ranger...all of which were introduced later, but all were 'Scramblers' or Desert Sleds. My Matchless has the Matchless G-15 (twin cylinder) frame, Norton 750 Atlas engine, the P-11 I believe has the Matchless G85CS (500cc single)frame, with the 750 Norton twin engine shoehorned in, somehow, with spacers.

Walridge Motors is a great source for parts for these hybrids and google Frank Wentworth and AMC Hybrid and I think you may come up with some articles that will help you figure out, what you have.


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