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Re: To the hard-working guys ..... [Re: Lannis] #720651
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Here's another lovely fact.

Once Trump's wall is up, our cheap labor force brought in from down south will be captive. You'd better believe that once things get as bad here as they are in Mexico, they'll want to go home.

Sorry guys. You have to stay!

Here's another gem. UFO's

I found this video on Amazon. Despite the allusion to UFO's and all that, this is really an excellent treatise on the art of manipulation of the minds of Americans starting back in WWI
It's well researched, presented well and frankly a bit uncomfortable to watch.

I think if you can watch this and understand this, there really is only one conclusion you can come to. Everything you know about our government and who controls it has been handed to you as a lie. Our people were led to believe that America was taking democracy to Europe and they wholly supported the effort. Nothing of the sort happened, of course. That single act started the propaganda machine in the US which has grown to immense proportions.

The two party system in the US is a construct to make the people believe they have a say, by dividing them into two camps. This is a false distinction. Two sides of the same coin.

Much of the population is starting to get wise to this and now you see much more "independent" or undecided voters these days. This is easily manipulated, too. Since the majority of Americans are much better represented financially by adhering to democratic principles, this undecided segment can be swayed with social issues.

I don't like calling people names like Sheeple. That's pretty demeaning. However, most folks are too lazy to get at the truth and just believe what they are told. Very unfortunate for all of us, actually. We let individuals who represent a very tiny minority to gain power and install their agenda to the detriment of the majority.

Sometimes it's done by something as simple as a slogan. Make American Great Again. WTF does that mean? American WAS great? When? You can MAKE American great. How? What does great mean? Does it mean what I think it means? If it does, we are all in big trouble. (I apologize for my asperger's literal thinking here)

Don't listen to slogans. Don't listen to meaningless platitudes. Get at the truth. It takes reading. A lot. Books. You know what those are? Written by scholars. You know, smarty pants people who know stuff.

You can read Chomsky and Zinn and really get depressed if you want to.

But I'm an optimist by nature. I see a silver lining in the huge black cloud. And that is that the powers that be still feel they need to manipulate the minds of the populace. They wouldn't do this if they didn't have to.

Cheers,
Bill


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Re: To the hard-working guys ..... [Re: Hillbilly bike] #720654
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Originally Posted by rick e.


If I could have a 2018 wish; FREE education K thru College and Travel. As part of a collective, I would GLADLY pay my share for others!!!




And resulting in a huge increase in educated minimum wage workers.......I used the GI bill to pay for my college, thanks to LBJ for drafting me into the Army.I never used my degrees to earn money however, I returned to the construction trades........My wife's daughter paid her own way through a private college by working and of course student loads like many students do. She wanted to be a teacher.since she was a 6 years old.....Motivated people will achieve what they what regardless of their situation ..You give something to an unmotivated person and they will waste it and hold their hand out for more..This is something I have seen a thousand times .......
My belief in self motivation is literally spiritual....Life is tough, rewards need to be earned not given...But there's no rules saying a person in the USA has to work hard or even work at all..Just don't expect any special treatment...


I just read an article on "self motivation" vs education, and the author agrees with you. (me too, BTW) Self Motivation is a gift, spiritual or genetics (I believe its genetics, maybe both) I envy those that can work 18 hours a day and live on a couple hours of sleep. Sadly, I'm not one of them.

Education and earnings do have a correlation, most of the time. We all know individuals with a 4 year degree making almost nothing, and sometimes by choice. At the end of the day a person making basic life choices has a much better chance to succeed in life if educated. This doesn't need to be job related endeavor.

You used your GI bill to go to college and yet went into the trades. That is awesome, and my point. You can disagree, but I bet you are much better at "critical thinking" than if you blew off college altogether, no?

It has warmed up to 24F, still too cold for me.


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Carbon monoxide making sure it's effective...
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Re: To the hard-working guys ..... [Re: Keane Lucas] #720656
12/31/17 10:32 pm
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Originally Posted by Keane Lucas


Free market capitalism is brutal, inhumane,undemocratic, and unsustainable.
.......

..... The 4 of us grew up to be productive members of society (i.e.-gainfully employed taxpayers) .....



So I assume that all 4 of you were totally self-employed, dealing in barter, and weren't leeching off society by getting a paycheck from a (GASP) evil corporation and all that a corporation represents regarding capitalism?

The cognitive dissonance around here is becoming deafening!

Lannis


I stopped believing for a little while this morning. Journey is really going to be upset.
Re: To the hard-working guys ..... [Re: NickL] #720672
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Originally Posted by NickL
Ir all comes back to the same thing really, we have a massively expanding world population, in a world where
our collective endeavours have worked toward a shrinking one.


Well it's been 2018 for quite a few hours where you live, it's still hours away yet here and we're still mired in 2017!

How are things out there in the future? 2018 doing OK for us?

Lannis


I stopped believing for a little while this morning. Journey is really going to be upset.
Re: To the hard-working guys ..... [Re: Lannis] #720675
01/01/18 12:46 am
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What do corporations have to do with capitalism? Absolutely nothing. Capitalism actually includes competition, something the corporations are trying to get rid of.

Also, lets be clear about some things. The cognitive dissonance is mainly in the confusion between government and economic systems. First, capitalism is an economic system. So is communism and socialism. They can exist in nearly any kind of governmental system. In fact, tyranny and dictatorships fit quite well within a capitalist economy. Not so much the others, but it is possible. Try to get your mind around that. There is a lot of intended confusion with regard to these systems.

Not that any of that matters much. We no longer trash communist countries because they are now our business partners. Wow, that was an about face, wasn't it? We used to cower under our desks kissing our collective asses goodbye because the evil communists were going to nuke us.

So now it's one terrorist after another we have to fear. Same game, different players. We've all been horribly manipulated and it goes on and on.

I haven't bought into any of this for decades. Nor should you.

In a government by, for, and of the people, the amount of trashing people do toward the government would be self hate, wouldn't it? I mean, people are the government, right?

Hating the "government" because it takes money from you and gives it to someone else is just frickin' ludicrous. Get over it. You aint' gonna change that.

I propose that laws are changed so that the money you do have to give to the government is allocated by you, not some backroom committee. Can't change how much you give, but you could change where it goes.

All my money would go to the fat lazy welfare mothers who check their food stamps with an 800$ cell phone. She's getting enough hate thrown at her as it is.

None of my money goes to the military industrial complex. Not a cent. The threat just doesn't exist. Especially if you just quit poking at that snake.

Cheers,
May the next year be war-free.
Bill


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Re: To the hard-working guys ..... [Re: HawaiianTiger] #720676
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Originally Posted by HawaiianTiger


All my money would go to the fat lazy welfare mothers who check their food stamps with an 800$ cell phone. She's getting enough hate thrown at her as it is.



So in your mind it's "fat ... welfare mothers", is it? Sounds like you have some sort of stereotypical image in your imagination. Freud would be proud!

Lannis


I stopped believing for a little while this morning. Journey is really going to be upset.
Re: To the hard-working guys ..... [Re: NickL] #720679
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Originally Posted by NickL
Been 2018 for nearly 11 hours now, it all seems similar, maybe the fireworks didn't have any effect....................

Have a good 2018 everyone.


It's strange that we're stuck here in 2017 and you're already in 2018. How's the weather up there?

Sounds strange, but we actually did that "looking into the future" thing on Y2K night.

We were in the machine and server room of our corporate IT operation, with our IBM mainframes and DEC VAXes and racks of Windows servers. There were about 15 of us, covering all the different computer types, and we had a old record player and a stack of Guy Lombardo albums that one of the guys had brought in.

We were pretty sure that we had everything covered - the only systems we had with date dependencies were the older mainframe systems where a "99" had been used as an end-of-file marker, and we got all those, had been testing for quite a while.

Our electrical engineers had assured us that all the hoopla and woe-is-me about "embedded" date dependencies in PROM-based systems and PLCs was nonsense - and they were right.

As midnight crossed Australia, I was calling compatriots in Ozzie computer centers, asking them how it was going - the news was uniformly good - no problems. By the time I was calling guys in the UK and France, it was 6 or 7 in the evening and we had had that "look into the future" and were pretty sure we were OK.

At 12:00 .... nothing happened. Everything kept running except ONE old Cullinet database application that failed; we had it fixed and running by 2:00. Around 3:00 AM our CEO came through, checking on things and we were able to give him a good report.

But we used that "looking into the future" thing with a vengeance ... very comforting it was, although we were sure we were going to do fine despite all the prophets of doom ... !

Lannis


I stopped believing for a little while this morning. Journey is really going to be upset.
Re: To the hard-working guys ..... [Re: HawaiianTiger] #720680
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Originally Posted by HawaiianTiger
What do corporations have to do with capitalism? Absolutely nothing. Capitalism actually includes competition, something the corporations are trying to get rid of.


^^^this is quite true. the ideal end game for business is monopoly, not competition. the goal of business--as practiced-- is to remove competition. or as i once heard it described in a radio ad touting a business strategy seminar,

"we'll teach you how to beat the competition and drive them out of business!"

i would disagree with you, bill, on capitalism being different from the business philosophy of corporations. capitalism has no measure of success other than greater profit, and there is no better way to maximize profit than to create monopoly. under monopoly, the price the market will bear isn't set by competition, it's set by you.

i think you are describing a capitalist system as one which is restrained by regulation, something that is imposed on capitalism to provide a social responsibility that isn't present in the pure model.


"Are bikes so nice as all that?" asked the mole, shyly...

"Nice? They're the only thing," said the Water Rat Solemnly, as he leaned forward on the handlebars. "Believe me, my young friend, there is nothing -- absolutely nothing -- half so much worth doing as simply messing about with bikes."
Re: To the hard-working guys ..... [Re: NickL] #720683
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Originally Posted by NickL
Y2K, yes many people made a lot of money from that farce. I could have too but i chose to emigrate early November '99.
My contribution would have been to stay in a London Hotel for the night and collect a huge cheque. The Financial centres
and trading floors were terrified of failing power systems, we had done much work in the redundancy set-ups and they were
pleading for my presence, believe me, that is something that very few people have ever done!

The weather is wet and humid at the moment around 32 degs. (and we are down here as opposed to up...)


Lot of people were selling snake oil over that.

Who's going to have the blog with the highest hits, the one that says

"Y2K will require some preparation by programmers, but effects will be minimal"

Or the one that says

"NIGHTMARE WORLD-ENDING DISASTER ON ITS WAY! YOUR TOASTER WILL CLIMB INTO YOUR BED AND KILL YOU!"

A guy named Gary North was the worst. He had a site that had literally thousands of women clinging to his virtual legs asking him to save them when the end came ...
And he's still pulling the wool off of idiots somewhere in the world, on other subjects ...

Lannis


I stopped believing for a little while this morning. Journey is really going to be upset.
Re: To the hard-working guys ..... [Re: Lannis] #720693
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Aye, those were the good old days when I were lad.

The Y2K hype wasn't all bad for us. Apart from doing lots of date rollover testing, we did manage to get management to loosen the purse strings to replace an old system running on IBM mainframes.
It was quite a fun exercise, too. It wasn't something which could be easily ported, but rather than accept IBM's extortionately expensive and glacially slow proposal we hooked a Linux box up to the mainframe to iterate through every possible query and stored the resulting screens. About 2 weeks in, we had a call from IBM asking us to throttle the query rate because it was bringing to mainframe to its knees. Essentially the same system is still there, but it's been through a few hardware and OS upgrades.

Originally Posted by Lannis
"Y2K will require some preparation by programmers, but effects will be minimal"

We did find a few minor problems which were fixed well in advance. The only problem I remember getting through was one of the minor reporting scripts showing the year as 19100, which took all of 10 minutes to fix.

It always seems to be the case that the loud hypesters selling the latest scam are listened to. The art with this is always to find a consulting firm to produce a report which recommends what has been ignored internally for years. It's "industry best practice" wink
Once we get through DevOps and Cloud, it will be almost time for the 2038 scare.

Re: To the hard-working guys ..... [Re: Lannis] #720696
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Originally Posted by Lannis
Originally Posted by HawaiianTiger


All my money would go to the fat lazy welfare mothers who check their food stamps with an 800$ cell phone. She's getting enough hate thrown at her as it is.



So in your mind it's "fat ... welfare mothers", is it? Sounds like you have some sort of stereotypical image in your imagination. Freud would be proud!

Lannis

Its your stererotype Lannis, its important enough to you... that you put it in your signature
dont try try and disown it now.

I thought she was a single working mother
Who had no contraceptive education and
got knocked up in highshool by a guy , who said he loved her and would alway be there for her
but left her High and dry
when things got tough
and she has to pay for child care out of her minimun wage job...
That she rides 2 buses for 2 hours to get too.
And You want her, per you opening post.... to be greatful for such a wonderful working oppertunity.

.

Re: To the hard-working guys ..... [Re: Lannis] #720700
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So in a nut shell.........

Young girls need to be educated about young men.
Young men need to be educated about young girls.
Welfare of any sort should be better policed and conceived to avoid people finding loop holes in the system.
Welfare payments and a working/minimum wage should be adjusted to make working more attractive.
Communism is bad, unless you need a new trade partner.
A food stamp App is required that works on cheap cell phones.

Rod


So remember, when you're feeling very small and insecure,
How amazingly unlikely is your birth;
And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere out in space,
'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth!
Re: To the hard-working guys ..... [Re: Lannis] #720701
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I have to say that I basically own this thread. It's about the hard working guy, right? All the women whom I've had the pleasure of having a relationship with, or married to, have said I was the hardest working man they ever knew.

Well, whatever. That's just me. I get focused and the time just flies. I get that others don't want to work that hard. That's fine with me also. Takes all types. Some work hard when young, others when old. Some all the time. Some work at nothing all day, takin' care of bidness.

I don't care. When you care about who's doing what, working or not, you seem to have a problem with fairness. It's not fair when you have to work and they don't. Really? You got time to think like that?

I'm getting it done. Every day, all day long. Some times I make money, other times I lose money. I don't care. It's the work I enjoy.

In my belief system, desire, the drive to own things, having possessions, it's all a form of suffering. You have to use your brain to control your desires. Only then can you experience true freedom. I don't work to get money to own things. I'll work whether I get paid or not.

It's not complicated. Mostly just common sense applied. You want something badly. You get it. You feel a sense of loss. You get addicted to wanting things, then acquiring them, then need more and more. End the cycle. Just control your desires. You don't really need things, do you?

HNY
Fireworks going off all over the place.
They sure like to blow things up around here.

Bill


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Re: To the hard-working guys ..... [Re: Lannis] #720715
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Originally Posted by Lannis
[ Whereas the "Get to work, keep your pants zipped, don't spend more than you make, and you'll be OK" side is based on real people's actual observations and experience, both past and present.

I know which one I believe.

Lannis

That's the reality I believed, my parents handed down to me. Save until you can buy that new car, save until you can buy the good one.
Those days are gone. We don't make enough to save until we can buy things without borrowing, and the best stuff is no longer made, it's all Chinese JUNK.
The biggest, "product," in our economy is our debt. They package that and sell it to make billions without working.
Getting up at 4am to check on the Asian market is NOT WORK!


Stepping on others doesn't make you stand tall.

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Re: To the hard-working guys ..... [Re: Lannis] #720717
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Socialism: From each according to his ability, to each according to his work.
WTF is wrong with that?


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Re: To the hard-working guys ..... [Re: DavidP] #720718
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Originally Posted by DavidP
Socialism: From each according to his ability, to each according to his work.
WTF is wrong with that?


Actually, the socialism quote (from the original author, Karl Marx in 1875 "Jeder nach seinen Fähigkeiten, jedem nach seinen Bedürfnissen".) is "FROM each according to his ability, TO each according to his NEEDS".

The other way would be fine by me. Marx's way has been an abject failure every time it's been tried ....

Lannis


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Originally Posted by DavidP
Originally Posted by Lannis
[ Whereas the "Get to work, keep your pants zipped, don't spend more than you make, and you'll be OK" side is based on real people's actual observations and experience, both past and present.

I know which one I believe.

Lannis

That's the reality I believed, my parents handed down to me. Save until you can buy that new car, save until you can buy the good one.
Those days are gone. We don't make enough to save until we can buy things without borrowing, and the best stuff is no longer made, it's all Chinese JUNK.
The biggest, "product," in our economy is our debt. They package that and sell it to make billions without working.
Getting up at 4am to check on the Asian market is NOT WORK!


You can still buy good stuff. But people don't want to wait - they want to trample each other in the door of the Wal-Mart to get the latest Chinese $19.95 DVD player, and they do it all the time. That's the people's problem, NOT a society problem.

You can still save up so that you don't overspend. Those days AREN'T gone. I can show you people doing it all over the place.

People just don't want to have the discipline to buy what they can afford, and to do the actual work required to get there.

Lannis


I stopped believing for a little while this morning. Journey is really going to be upset.
Re: To the hard-working guys ..... [Re: quinten] #720720
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Originally Posted by quinten
Originally Posted by Lannis
Originally Posted by HawaiianTiger


All my money would go to the fat lazy welfare mothers who check their food stamps with an 800$ cell phone. She's getting enough hate thrown at her as it is.



So in your mind it's "fat ... welfare mothers", is it? Sounds like you have some sort of stereotypical image in your imagination. Freud would be proud!

Lannis

Its your stererotype Lannis, its important enough to you... that you put it in your signature
dont try try and disown it now.

.


Just like most people who disagree, you didn't even READ what I wrote.

The old sig line said "Poor and Disadvantaged". That's all I said, no reference to weight, gender, race, etc.

You projected YOUR stereotypes onto ME,, and came up with "fat lazy welfare mothers." That's YOU, not me. So I've got nothing to disown. As you say, you own that.

Lannis


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Originally Posted by HawaiianTiger
I have to say that I basically own this thread. It's about the hard working guy, right? All the women whom I've had the pleasure of having a relationship with, or married to, have said I was the hardest working man they ever knew.


Bill


Ok,You own this thread.............. you have presented nothing but your own point of view as have the in thread, just opinions....And as mentioned, you don't read what you post.....I believe you make even less sense that I do.... wink


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Re: To the hard-working guys ..... [Re: Lannis] #720722
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If you vaunt hard work as an end in itself, you're sailing close to a religious discussion.


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Originally Posted by triton thrasher
If you vaunt hard work as an end in itself, you're sailing close to a religious discussion.


People can make a religion out of anything.

I wouldn't say that hard work is an end in itself, but it's certainly a pre-requisite for a lot of other things we'd like to do.

Although .... I must say that almost every guy I've met that's read the books or seen the show would like to be Bertie Wooster .... !

Lannis


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Re: To the hard-working guys ..... [Re: Hillbilly bike] #720727
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I have to say that I basically own this thread. It's about the hard working guy, right? All the women whom I've had the pleasure of having a relationship with, or married to, have said I was the hardest working man they ever knew.


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Ok,You own this thread.............. you have presented nothing but your own point of view as have the in thread, just opinions....And as mentioned, you don't read what you post.....I believe you make even less sense that I do.... wink


I always love it when someone says "Yeah, I work hard at my relationships - I've lived with three women and divorced from two, and I know all about it ...."

Like someone who constantly drinks, smokes, and plays the lottery and then complains that they're sick and broke all the time.

After I realize that folks not only aren't reading the posts on the thread, they're not even reading their OWN sources .... I'm kind of like this on a New Year's Morning ...

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Happy New Year!

Lannis


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Although .... I must say that almost every guy I've met that's read the books or seen the show would like to be Bertie Wooster .... !



Yes, actual wealth would test the work ethic of many.


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Re: To the hard-working guys ..... [Re: triton thrasher] #720733
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Although .... I must say that almost every guy I've met that's read the books or seen the show would like to be Bertie Wooster .... !



Yes, actual wealth would test the work ethic of many.



Good point. I don't know if I'd pass that test or not. And now I'll never know!

I haven't got enough for everything I want, but I've got everything I need. I still work at cutting and hauling my own wood for heat, shooting my own game and cleaning and cooking it, growing my own fruits and vegetables. My wallet isn't always full, but my stomach is.

So I guess I don't know what "actual wealth" is. As I've said before, the average world citizen can't tell the difference between my lifestyle and the lifestyle of Bill Gates or anyone's favorite "rich" guy. A house, car, garage full of toys, sleeping securely at night, warm and dry, clean water to drink and bathe in. What would "wealthy" really be?

Now that I think about it, I don't think I could be Bertie Wooster. I'd get bored ....

Lannis


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Re: To the hard-working guys ..... [Re: rick e.] #720738
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If I could have a 2018 wish; FREE education K thru College and Travel. As part of a collective, I would GLADLY pay my share for others!!!




And resulting in a huge increase in educated minimum wage workers.......I used the GI bill to pay for my college, thanks to LBJ for drafting me into the Army.I never used my degrees to earn money however, I returned to the construction trades........My wife's daughter paid her own way through a private college by working and of course student loads like many students do. She wanted to be a teacher.since she was a 6 years old.....Motivated people will achieve what they what regardless of their situation ..You give something to an unmotivated person and they will waste it and hold their hand out for more..This is something I have seen a thousand times .......
My belief in self motivation is literally spiritual....Life is tough, rewards need to be earned not given...But there's no rules saying a person in the USA has to work hard or even work at all..Just don't expect any special treatment...


I just read an article on "self motivation" vs education, and the author agrees with you. (me too, BTW) Self Motivation is a gift, spiritual or genetics (I believe its genetics, maybe both) I envy those that can work 18 hours a day and live on a couple hours of sleep. Sadly, I'm not one of them.

Education and earnings do have a correlation, most of the time. We all know individuals with a 4 year degree making almost nothing, and sometimes by choice. At the end of the day a person making basic life choices has a much better chance to succeed in life if educated. This doesn't need to be job related endeavor.

You used your GI bill to go to college and yet went into the trades. That is awesome, and my point. You can disagree, but I bet you are much better at "critical thinking" than if you blew off college altogether, no?

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Good question..... I quit a good paying job at 25 years old to enroll in college using the GI bill and working part time to pay for school and my costs.To be honest my girlfriend at the time convinced me to do it...Then she left..LOL...This was 1972....At the time I was liberal minded and had the urge to make a difference in system . I majored subjects for a career in Social Services...After graduation it wasn't long before I realized social services was not my calling....All the great theories were pure [censored] in the real world of slackers and " professionals" at ripping off gov't services.....I saw 90 percent stealing benefits that only 10 percent deserved...
Back in the trades I realized it was my calling so to speak. Walking into a building under construction,I can look at the blueprints then look around and see in my mind the conduit and wiring systems like a video in my mind..So I'm a visual learner and although I read well, I do suck at abstract stuff. So I really applied myself.and got a reputation for running jobs that came in on time and under budget without problems.. .I believe that college ,indirectly, taught me this by exposing me to the false reality of social change dreamers...



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