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Where to start #481145
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A friend of mine just bought a 1976 Bonnie OIF. The rest of the bike is in really nice condition, but as you can see some major motor work is required.










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Re: Where to start [Re: bmwr90s] #481170
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WOW! The former owner really crapped that one!
I wonder if he learned anything from it, like:
push-rod engines don't like revving to 12,000 rpm.

Re: Where to start [Re: Irish Swede] #481184
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Tear it down the rest of the way to check out the cams and crank.
Timing side and drive side check out OK?
Hope your buddy didn't pay to much for this. It ain't gonna be cheep.


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I'm going to help him tear it apart in the morning. He's a retired classic car restorer and not familiar with motorcycles at all, I'm not at all familiar with Triumphs except for my TR25w. I'll post pictures as we tear it down.

Art

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Re: Where to start [Re: bmwr90s] #481200
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Get a proper Triumph Parts book and a Triumph Shop manual for that bike. Will save you a ton of grief.
Not Haynes or Clymer.


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Re: Where to start [Re: bmwr90s] #481228
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Art -

http://classicbike.biz/Triumph/Repair/1970s/73-78-Triumph-Bonneville-Tiger-Workshop-Manual.pdf

Drop me a PM and I can help you with the parts manual....


Cheers,

Steve


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Re: Where to start [Re: JubeePrince] #481240
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Thanks Steve, PM sent.


Art


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Re: Where to start [Re: bmwr90s] #481261
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It looks like it melted a piston and then cooked the rod.Somebody wasn't listening for the "death-rattle",and might have had too much ignition advance or a bad dose of fuel.

Some of the displaced metal around the edges of the head could be hammered back into shape.It will probably look good enough when it's cleaned up.

The crank's probably OK,but you'll feel better after you crack-test it.Get another pair of rods and put it back together.

Re: Where to start [Re: bmwr90s] #481450
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I'm starting to take apart the motor. Is there an alternative way to remove the clutch basket other than using the clutch extractor tool shown in the manual? Also, same thing for the removal of the crankshaft pinion gear. Hate to have to go out and purchase special tools as this is probably the only triumph I get to work on.

Art

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Re: Where to start [Re: bmwr90s] #481463
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I don't think there's any safe substitute for the clutch hub puller.Anything else is likely to break the flange off the clutch hub.

It's easy enough to remove the cush-drive if you replace the springs in the pressure plate with 1/2" washers,then pull the clutch lever to push the cush drive off its splines.You can then remove the clutch basket.You still need the clutch hub puller after that.

You should be able to pull the crankshaft out with the pinion gear still attached.Heat the crankcase in an oven until the timing side main bearing is loose enough to fall out of the crankcase.
At least you'll have the crank out.It will still have the main bearing and pinion attached.

Re: Where to start [Re: bmwr90s] #481473
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Art -

When you use the hub puller, couple of things:

1) Use some decent torque to attach the puller to the hub. You want as many threads engaged as possible between the tool and the hub.

2) Be sure to use a rattle gun to drive the bolt onto the tip of the shaft. It's the shock of the bolt hitting the shaft that pops the hub off the taper. If you try to gradually tighten the bolt with a hand-held ratchet there's a good chance you'll strip the threads in the tool and/or bung up the end of the mainshaft....

eBay has pullers for $20. I have one too. If you want me to send it to you to use, PM me your address and you can send it back when you're done.

If you plan to reuse the cam followers in the photo, mark them before you remove them from the guides. If they aren't reinstalled in the same order/direction they (and the cam lobes) could wear quicker..

Steve


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Re: Where to start [Re: Pete R - R.I.P.] #481480
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Originally Posted By: Pete R

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You should be able to pull the crankshaft out with the pinion gear still attached.Heat the crankcase in an oven until the timing side main bearing is loose enough to fall out of the crankcase.
At least you'll have the crank out.It will still have the main bearing and pinion attached.


Thanks, hadn't thought of that.

Art


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Re: Where to start [Re: JubeePrince] #481481
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Steve, PM sent
Thanks,
Art


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Digging deeper in the motor and found debris scattered in the timming cover. Some made it's way into the oil pump.







Art


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1973 Norton Commando
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HI Art, enjoying the New Years Eve tranquility to the full, I spend the time searching the BBF for stuff. Came upon this thread you started tears ago. I just wondered how it went from there, as the thread just stopped during the autopsy?
I guess you must have enjoyed the experience as you seem to have bought yourself a Commando since then?

All the best for the New Year,
SR


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