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100.120MPH #665166
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Remember Wednesday 25/08/16
A 500cc BSA Goldstar lapped the IOM TT circuit at over 100MPH, the first time this has ever been achieved.

Senior Qualifying

Last edited by Andy Higham; 08/25/16 7:42 am.

1955 BSA B31 400cc "Stargazer"
1962 Greeves 200cc "Blue Meanie"
1962/67 Greeves 350cc
1967 Greeves 360cc Challenger
1984 Suzuki GSX1100 EFE "Sorcerers Apprentice"
GM500cc sprint/LSR bike "Deofol"
Jawa 500cc grasstrack
2003 Aprilia RSV Mille "Lo Stregone"
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Re: 100.120MPH [Re: Andy Higham] #665168
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That's moving.


No generalisation is wholly true, not even this one.
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Re: 100.120MPH [Re: Kerry W] #665182
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Brilliant, can't wail to see how he does in the Senior on Friday. I'll be there this Saturday for the week. Shame I'll be on my H**da, not the Jabsa.


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Re: 100.120MPH [Re: Andy Higham] #665195
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Sorry you missed it Ron. RIP

Re: 100.120MPH [Re: Andy Higham] #665199
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Really fantastic, but you cannot compare that "Gold Star' to the Goldies that raced yesteryear. The 500 Clubmans Gold star of the 1950's only has a visual link to the Goldie based race bikes of today.
Goldie John.

Re: 100.120MPH [Re: Andy Higham] #665204
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Gents … This AM I received a telcon from Phil Pearson our Gold Star Guru in England. He was calling to report a customer’s Goldie racer did a 100 + mph lap in Manx practice yesterday! This elusive goal had also been chased by our friend Ron Halem (RIP) and many others over the years. Phil had built the gent’s ‘short stroke engine with oval flywheels’ etc. in a Norton chassis. Phil reported he has a 500 pound reward for him if the gent can do a 100 per lap during the race Saturday. We’ll see.
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Re: 100.120MPH [Re: Andy Higham] #665411
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Gents … This AM Phil Pearson again called me with the good news that the Dave Hardman Gold Star powered racer ridden by Philip McGurk on the IOM Vintage TT / Manx, did a 101 mph lap with a race average of 99 per!
Phil’s quite proud of the engine he built that’s still running fine following a grueling race of four 37mile laps on The Mountain Course. And he’ll be happy to reward the gent the 500 British pounds for exceeding the elusive 100 mph average lap speed..
Dave - NV


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Re: 100.120MPH [Re: dave - NV] #665422
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What a milestone, I bet all involved including Phil are ecstatic...
Well done all involved beerchug

Re: 100.120MPH [Re: Andy Higham] #665424
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John McGuinnes's 113.342MPH on a 500twin was non to shabby either


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1962/67 Greeves 350cc
1967 Greeves 360cc Challenger
1984 Suzuki GSX1100 EFE "Sorcerers Apprentice"
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Jawa 500cc grasstrack
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Re: 100.120MPH [Re: Andy Higham] #665463
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Senior Classic TT results:
http://www.iomtt.com/~/media/Files/2016/CTT/Results/Bennetts%20Senior%20Result.pdf

Go to the web page for the race 'story':
http://www.iomtt.com/Classic-TT/News/2016/August/27/McGuinness-clinches-Bennetts-Classic-TT-win.aspx

Sad that our pal GStarRon Ron Halem (RIP) isn't here for the news. He tried so very hard but his bike's fastest average lap was in the high 90s ... until the bike broke ... sigh.
However his ashes are scattered alongside The Mountain course with the help of Mike Cartis and his other Brit GSr pals. A fitting resting place seems to us. We all miss him.

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Re: 100.120MPH [Re: Andy Higham] #666689
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A bit more on the Goldie's speed on the IOM, a note from an English friend who was watching the races. 129 per is cooking!

Hi Dave I don't know if you are aware of a Manchester member's record winner, Phil Mc Gurk did 101+mph and finished,4 lap average 99+mph. Sulby speed Trap 129+ mph on a 500 Goldie, Ron would have been pleased as they were going past Gutheries on the mountain where he would have been watching, anything else Dave just ask regards Mike C.


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Re: 100.120MPH [Re: Andy Higham] #666961
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Here's a bit more from our GSr friend Mike C. in England.

Well our area had a lot to celebrate at this years MGP or Classic TT. Our member Dave Hardman ,his bike and rider Phil Mc Gurk did the impossible by claiming the 100 MPHlap. The winning lap was 101.030 MPH I believe some 15 years ago the committe then decided to reward any owner Lap 2 101.030 mph
Lap3 99.539mph whose bike could establish a 100MPH lap and FINISH ,would be rewarded with a cheque for £1,000, for 15 years this has eluded us ,but with a lot of effort all round this was accomplished.
Dave went to expert Phil Pearson to strip the engine after last years effort that fell just short of the 100mph lap. Phil his usual excellent work on the motor to withstand the 4 grueling laps and 2 or 3 practice laps ,some 250 plus miles at full race speed ,and success happened, although it was a joint effort all round that won the record lap, Phil Mc Gurk on his riding expertise , Dave for spending a lot of time and cash to comply with the ever increasing new rules introduced this year . PHIL Mc Gurk did the seemingly impossible a fete that never had been accomplished previously on a 500 GOLDIE ,a fantastic achievement and congratulations must go to him, on one of his practice laps Dave told me of a slight problem Phil had encountered with the gearbox . ,but on inspection a broken tooth was found , this alone would have kyboshed the attempt but Bob Light came to the rescue and generously offered Dave option of taking the gearbox from one of his bikes , that was the same type , and using it for the duration of the races. This alone is a fantastic offer of help from Bob and without which the achievement would not have happened.
It was a great pleasure for me to witness thid achievement ,and it will write Dave Hardman and Phil Mc Gurk in the history books . Daves bike has been promised for the GSOC stand at Stafford Show, in April 2017 ,so take your own cameras and you will have a piece of history.
Just for the anoracs ,the bike recorded 129.30 mph 24th August ,-Sulby Speed Trap.
Lap 1 99.762 mph
Lap 2 101.030 mph
Lap3 99.539mph
Lap4 99.441mph
Giving an average of 99.939 MPH race average.
Now thats , pretty quick Regards Mike C.

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Wow that's some consistency on the lap times, well done all involved..

Re: 100.120MPH [Re: Andy Higham] #667107
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Look inside the engine , frame , wheels etc, just a tenuous link to the Clubmans DBD 34.
Goldie John.

Re: 100.120MPH [Re: John Alexander] #667526
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Nothing wrong with private entrants doing the development work that the factory would be doing, if it existed.
In the old days private runners also tuned their Gold Star machines beyond the factory specs.
The basic architecture of the motor is the same, and the refinements and new materials do not make it less of a Goldie.
I am a Triumph man myself, if I had a Weslake 650 twin motor in my machine, I'd still call it a Triumph.
Just my opinion here.

Re: 100.120MPH [Re: John Alexander] #667543
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There's always someone who has to belittle this great achievement


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1984 Suzuki GSX1100 EFE "Sorcerers Apprentice"
GM500cc sprint/LSR bike "Deofol"
Jawa 500cc grasstrack
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I love my Goldie, not decrying the 100 MPH achievement, but it's not really a Gold Star. If BSA were still here and were racing, there Bikes would be a million miles away from this individuals efforts. But any body who races the I.O.M. circuit at those speeds should be admired.
Goldie John.

Re: 100.120MPH [Re: John Alexander] #667578
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Originally Posted By John Alexander
not decrying the 100 MPH achievement, but it's not really a Gold Star.
Goldie John.




Phil Pearson might argue that point!


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Re: 100.120MPH [Re: Boomer] #667582
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Originally Posted By Boomer
Originally Posted By John Alexander
not decrying the 100 MPH achievement, but it's not really a Gold Star.
Goldie John.




Phil Pearson might argue that point!


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He has an interest in doing so.


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Re: 100.120MPH [Re: Andy Higham] #667675
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I'm sure Phil would accept that it;s not a gold star that we road riders ride. The classic racers of today are replicas of the manx Norton AJS7Rs, etc. There is the odd genuine Manx and AJS 7R but they are too valuable to risk racing. A Gold Star racer of today, the engine for instance, apart from looking like a Gold Star Star , internally is nothing like the Gold Star raced in the 1960s and 1970s. Today it's all fully developed modern stuff, six speed gearbox, different cranks and Carillo rods. And why not, but to call these bikes Gold Stars.
Goldie John.

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The Gold Stars that were raced "in the day" were not what the road riders of the day rode. They were much modified all in the effort to gain an edge on the track. That's why rules are made, to be broken.

It's still a puhrod OHV 500cc engine meeting the rules of the day and it's a Gold Star.


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Gold Star is the only sensible thing I can think of, to call them.


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I was speaking to Phil Pearson this evening. The 100MPH lap Goldie has B31 cases.
So
A BSA B31 lapped the Isle of Man at 100.120MPH


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1962 Greeves 200cc "Blue Meanie"
1962/67 Greeves 350cc
1967 Greeves 360cc Challenger
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GM500cc sprint/LSR bike "Deofol"
Jawa 500cc grasstrack
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Re: 100.120MPH [Re: Andy Higham] #717300
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As we speak ... Phil Pearson is building me another 5 main bearing crank assembly and engine cases for my current 'Last' GS Clubman project bike. It will still require "many many more monies" for additional upgrades ie Newby belt drive clutch assembly, Power Dyno ignition/alternator and lots of other hardware to build a nice dependable road Goldie using many other pieces I've accumulated over the years.
I don't believe in leaving too much cash in my estate for my reasonably well off boys, as we spent a 'bundle' with their education. heh

And speaking of Hardman's winning Goldie I've just recently sent him a pair of special Carrillo rods custom made to Pearson's specs to refresh his racer for next year.
The latest issue of Vintage Bike magazine has a great article on Hardman's Goldie racer with Phil Mc Gurk riding. Find a copy if you don't subscribe. Thanks John Healy!

And I too miss the endless discussions of building a Fast Gold Star with GStarRon and being along with him on the IOM and of course many road rides with him and the other GSrs on those wonderful NoCA Twisties and staying at his house and drinking his whiskey and... Sheeze. As Mike has mentioned his ashes were 'scattered in the wind' at Guthries Corner on the IOM Mountain Course. A fitting resting place for him. His racer is now in a CA museum. RIP Ron, you are sorely missed.

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