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#714358 - 11/09/17 9:58 am BSA A10 gearbox high rev problems  
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Hello everybody
Since I am a newbe in asking questions in a forum, I hope I am doing it right.
If not, please tell me.
I am riding a side car racer based on a BSA M20/A10 with an engine one cylinder, dohc 600cc and approx 65hp at 8500 rpm.
In my A10 std gearbox above 7000 rpm sometimes gears slip out and I am not able to get in any gear.
Sometimes the gear slips out and jumps in again (awefull noise!!!).

Is there anything I can do?
I changed the layshat to goldie type with needle rollers, and the main shaft wit one needle roller and one bush on the drive side side - no change.
The gears itself dont look worn.

Greetings from
Gunnar

#714381 - 11/09/17 3:06 pm Re: BSA A10 gearbox high rev problems [Re: gunnix]  
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Gunnar,

I think the best thing you could do would to have the gears undercut. This would keep the gears pulling together while engaged.


1955 BSA Bantam D1 Plunger
1956 BSA A10RR Street and LSR Bike
1961 BSA C15S
1966 BSA spitfire
1969 Triumph T100C
1970 Triumph TR6R
1972 BSA Lightning LSR Bike
1974 Triumph T150V
#714480 - 11/10/17 12:44 pm Re: BSA A10 gearbox high rev problems [Re: Blown Income]  
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Thank you very much for the information.
Is it normal to happen if the gears are not undercut?

#714492 - 11/10/17 2:24 pm Re: BSA A10 gearbox high rev problems [Re: gunnix]  
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I don't want to rain on your parade but undercutting an A10 gearbox is almost impossible.
Only the layshaft 2nd and 3rd gears have "dogs" but they are rounded section and locate into rounded blind holes


1955 BSA B31 400cc "Stargazer"
1962 Greeves 200cc "Blue Meanie"
1962/67 Greeves 350cc
1967 Greeves 360cc Challenger
1984 Suzuki GSX1100 EFE "Sorcerers Apprentice"
Modified Nu-Trak GM500cc sprint/LSR bike "Deofol"
2003 Aprilia RSV Mille "Lo Stregone"
#714493 - 11/10/17 2:27 pm Re: BSA A10 gearbox high rev problems [Re: gunnix]  
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For racing I would either fit a Nova 5 speed cluster http://www.novaracing.co.uk/ManufacturerBSA.html
or a TTI gearbox http://www.ttindustries.com/bsa_gearbox.html


1955 BSA B31 400cc "Stargazer"
1962 Greeves 200cc "Blue Meanie"
1962/67 Greeves 350cc
1967 Greeves 360cc Challenger
1984 Suzuki GSX1100 EFE "Sorcerers Apprentice"
Modified Nu-Trak GM500cc sprint/LSR bike "Deofol"
2003 Aprilia RSV Mille "Lo Stregone"
#714578 - 11/11/17 12:17 am Re: BSA A10 gearbox high rev problems [Re: gunnix]  
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How fast are you running the box? Primary and secondary ratios?
You may be able to help by speeding the box up, that will reduce the torque loading.
I suspect the mainshaft is bowing/deflecting causing this, reducing the transmitted torque
may help. An outrigger bearing setup would also help.
All these things are standard practise on sidecar outfits of that era.

Or as Andy says, just throw heaps of money at it, and hope the warranty holds.



#714591 - 11/11/17 2:45 am Re: BSA A10 gearbox high rev problems [Re: gunnix]  
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The real solution is to scrap the BSA box and find an AMC box. Impossible to break.


God rides a Triumph but wishes it was a Norton.
#714599 - 11/11/17 8:24 am Re: BSA A10 gearbox high rev problems [Re: gunnix]  
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Better dogging but weaker elsewhere................ Norvil and others do a very nice trade doing replacement bits for them eh?



#714604 - 11/11/17 10:17 am Re: BSA A10 gearbox high rev problems [Re: NickL]  
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Yep, reminds me of something I once read about the poor old Matchless gearbox........ " designed for a thirty horsepower world and ending up in a sixty horsepower one !"

#714662 - 11/11/17 9:06 pm Re: BSA A10 gearbox high rev problems [Re: gunnix]  
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Years ago I used an AMC gearbox on a sprint bike, supercharged (28psi) 500cc Weslake speedway engine and a 6,5" wide rear slick. First drop of the clutch would bend the gearbox mainshaft making the clutch run out by about 2mm. subsequent runs would sometimes pull it straight, it never went worse


1955 BSA B31 400cc "Stargazer"
1962 Greeves 200cc "Blue Meanie"
1962/67 Greeves 350cc
1967 Greeves 360cc Challenger
1984 Suzuki GSX1100 EFE "Sorcerers Apprentice"
Modified Nu-Trak GM500cc sprint/LSR bike "Deofol"
2003 Aprilia RSV Mille "Lo Stregone"
#714724 - 11/12/17 11:17 am Re: BSA A10 gearbox high rev problems [Re: gunnix]  
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I've done 118 mph in Ohio and just over 120 mph at Bonneville with my A10. I have the scrambles ratio box fitted and have not had a problem at high speed with it jumping out of gear. The Nova 5 speed box's are great but do cost a lot. You may want to check the current setup on your gearbox to make sure you do not have excessive play on the mainshaft, the bearing may be worn out causing too much "end float" allowing top gear to not fully engage.


1955 BSA Bantam D1 Plunger
1956 BSA A10RR Street and LSR Bike
1961 BSA C15S
1966 BSA spitfire
1969 Triumph T100C
1970 Triumph TR6R
1972 BSA Lightning LSR Bike
1974 Triumph T150V
#714826 - 11/12/17 9:41 pm Re: BSA A10 gearbox high rev problems [Re: gunnix]  
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Racing sidecars are brutal on gearboxes, when drifting around corners the tyre is slipping and gripping which puts shock loads into the gearbox


1955 BSA B31 400cc "Stargazer"
1962 Greeves 200cc "Blue Meanie"
1962/67 Greeves 350cc
1967 Greeves 360cc Challenger
1984 Suzuki GSX1100 EFE "Sorcerers Apprentice"
Modified Nu-Trak GM500cc sprint/LSR bike "Deofol"
2003 Aprilia RSV Mille "Lo Stregone"
#714846 - 11/13/17 12:29 am Re: BSA A10 gearbox high rev problems [Re: gunnix]  
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I could see that, straight line racing we dont really have the side loading. I guess the best plan of attack would be to upgrade to the Nova 5 speed box.


1955 BSA Bantam D1 Plunger
1956 BSA A10RR Street and LSR Bike
1961 BSA C15S
1966 BSA spitfire
1969 Triumph T100C
1970 Triumph TR6R
1972 BSA Lightning LSR Bike
1974 Triumph T150V

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