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#714479 - 11/10/17 12:37 pm WANTED mint Triumph TR5T  
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Looking for a really nice TR5T. Prefer in Southeast USA so I can pick up in person but not a deal killer. What's out there?

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#714482 - 11/10/17 12:54 pm Re: WANTED mint Triumph TR5T [Re: slowpoke28787]  
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https://hartford.craigslist.org/mcy/d/1973-triumph-tr5t-original/6364748592.html

Looks good and has the very sensible 8" conical front brake upgrade
HTH

#714497 - 11/10/17 3:03 pm Re: WANTED mint Triumph TR5T [Re: slowpoke28787]  
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I think the red tank denotes a 1974---the 1973 model has the yellow tank.
Actually not a bad price for a bike that looks to be in very good condition---a lot of these bikes were used partially at least off road--and it shows!
I hope that it goes without saying--I have no connection with the seller.

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#714513 - 11/10/17 4:37 pm Re: WANTED mint Triumph TR5T [Re: Tridentman]  
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Thanks Tridentman, Looks like a Bonneville front wheel and fender as the TR5T had high fender and 21 inch front wheel yes, smaller hub.

#714524 - 11/10/17 6:18 pm Re: WANTED mint Triumph TR5T [Re: slowpoke28787]  
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Daron--no problem.
The standard TR5T front brake is a SLS 6" unit and as you say the fender is high up and actually mounted off the lower triple tree.
However the standard front brake is pretty pathetic in traffic--it has given me brown pants a few times.
I have both a 73 and a 74.
On the 73 I have replaced the front wheel with an 8" conical as per the one in the ad.
However I retained the standard front fender and built the 8" conical hub into a 21" rim (stainless and stainless spokes bought direct from Devon Rims in UK).
This has produced a bike which brakes well in traffic.
The 8" conical front brake has a poor reputation.
Even if set up properly I find it marginal on a 650 twin and a bit frightening on a triple----mainly due to fade from repeated use.
However it is fine on a 500 twin such as the TR5T.
BTW--the 8" conical hub fits straight in as the front forks are identical between the TR5T and the BSA B50SS and the B50 takes the 8" conical brake as standard.
HTH--and best of luck in your search.

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Hi Richard,

Originally Posted by Tridentman
The 8" conical front brake has a poor reputation.
Even if set up properly I find it marginal on a 650 twin and a bit frightening on a triple----mainly due to fade from repeated use.
However it is fine on a 500 twin such as the TR5T.

Ime, the 8" 'chronical' can also be a bit scary in a 250, for the opposite reason than a triple.

"However it is fine on a 500 twin such as the TR5T" - the only bikes Triumph never fitted with the comical as standard ... facepalm

Regards,

#714533 - 11/10/17 8:13 pm Re: WANTED mint Triumph TR5T [Re: Tridentman]  
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There is one on eBay now with the same swap. Looks good but low fender and larger hub with 19 inch wheel. My concern with such a bike where the owner claims it is original is that they don't know full history and why it was swapped. Fine if for better braking but a concern when seller is vague on why it's not how it came new.

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Originally Posted by slowpoke28787
There is one on Ebay now with the same swap. Looks good but low fender and larger hub with 19 inch wheel. My concern with such a bike where the owner claims it is original is that they don't know full history and why it was swapped. Fine if for better braking but a concern when seller is vague on why it's not how it came new.



Is this the bike you are referring too ?


https://www.eBay.com/itm/1973-Triumph-Trophy/222709000760?hash=item33da7daa38:g:crAAAOSwzXxaALKb&vxp=mtr


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#714542 - 11/10/17 9:09 pm Re: WANTED mint Triumph TR5T [Re: slowpoke28787]  
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Thanks for posting the link and pics, Jon.

Both these bikes would be easy to bring back closer to stock.


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#714562 - 11/10/17 10:59 pm Re: WANTED mint Triumph TR5T [Re: slowpoke28787]  
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Yes. You guys give me your feedback. Seller has had it 35 years but claims it's all original including that front end set up. I like stock and don't have a problem tinkering with it to get it back in more proper form but like the idea of lacing a 21 inch rim on that hub. High fender seems better though.

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I think Peter Quick of BSA Singles (a sponsor of this site) in NH has the front fenders for sale.
HTH

#714573 - 11/10/17 11:55 pm Re: WANTED mint Triumph TR5T [Re: slowpoke28787]  
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slowpoke, it could be original, not from the factory but from the dealer. Back in my dealer days, we'd set bikes up to sell, not thinking much about what might be desirable 45 years later, so that meant putting lights on the TR5MX, painting 1970 Bonnevilles black, getting rid of the ridiculous harlequin paint scheme on the Hurricane, and, yes, painting it black. For example.

My plan for my TR5T is to lace up Buchanan alloy rims and SS spokes, 21" front with 8" conical. And planning to fit Preston Petty fenders since the heavy steel items are long gone.

PS -- "Mint", "really nice", and "stock" -- what will you accept? grin

Adding this picture from ca. 1974:

TR5MX in the foreground, set up for street

Me in the middle praying for a miracle (I was better at motorcycles than I was at business).

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#714582 - 11/11/17 1:09 am Re: WANTED mint Triumph TR5T [Re: slowpoke28787]  
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Originally Posted by slowpoke28787
Looking for a really nice TR5T. Prefer in Southeast USA so I can pick up in person but not a deal killer. What's out there?

Daron

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I think you would have to shake a few tree's to find a 'mint bike or even really nice as far as stock bikes and I mean stock with none of the hard to find bits missing as most do.
It looks like you are looking for a bike to modify which are plentiful (compared to unmolested originals)
If striping a bike down to do paint etc then then obviously the possibilities increase.

That Yellow (1973) looks to be in reasonable overall condition and with a bit of time and effort would clean up nicely as a rider, the reserve looks to be not met so who knows what the asking price is, I would think the $3500 it is sitting at would be close to its value. (US$3700 to $4300)
Of course values may have increased.

Click for full size pictures, unmolested dead stock, 2211 miles but am lucky enough to have two so the other one can be modified a little.

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#714586 - 11/11/17 1:40 am Re: WANTED mint Triumph TR5T [Re: slowpoke28787]  
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Kurt, Looking for a mostly correct well preserved usable example. Low mileage still can mean rode hard and put in the shed wet and they don't polish back up well after 30 years of that neglect. Yes finding one like Kiwi Les's minty red example would be nice and I'm open to that but I don't want something too nice to use. A local buddy bought the 1350 mile example off eBay two weeks ago for $5000 and it needs a little sprucing up but quite acceptable. I have restored a few bikes and have learned I don't use them then get bored with staring at their perfection and sell them. Have an old Ducati now that I am parting with for that reason.

Keep the input coming.

Daron

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Originally Posted by slowpoke28787
Have an old Ducati now that I am parting with for that reason.

Keep the input coming.

Daron


Old Ducati ?

You can still ride nice bikes, I probably won't be doing any enduro's on the good one though. laughing

The other 1974 bike I was going to build as stock 'patina ed but will go down this route (pic below), I think it might have been on UK eBay once.
The pic is on my PhotoBucket so even though I see it others may not.

I think this is a great looking bike and yes still has the stock front brake, they can have modern linings fitted and turned to for some improvement.
Nice clean lines.

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If you are looking for a fairly complete bikes.. on the 1974 model (red) the air box is unobtainium... the front bash plates are often removed long ago... the L/H switch blocks are expensive... Krisman spark arrestors are often gone same for the Lucas indicators... the fuel tanks dent easy so many have damage... they can leak battery acid so the frame and swing arm can be corroded... look under the top tube above the battery for fume corrosion... extend the forks fully to see if they are worn (The TR5T has the B50MX chrome moly tubes, look for the ring in the tube below the top triple clamp... look for excess rubbing of the oil hose protector on the engine case - R/H side lower front... any smoke can be a sign of top end wear... The stock instruments are Denso and only on the TR5T so they need to be working, they are expensive to replace as a rule... the seat has a fibre/fiber glass pan,check that it has not broken/cracked as they do.... The 1973 (yellow) is more common than the 1974 model.
That red craiglist bike ($3800) could be a contender but given all the missing parts seems expensive.

#714592 - 11/11/17 2:54 am Re: WANTED mint Triumph TR5T [Re: slowpoke28787]  
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Wow, that is nicely done and I'd call this one my dream example.. Subtle changes like the short seat add a lot and I can live with out the turn signals in place but prefer to have them in a spares box.. Yes I have heard if settling for a bikes with a few needs to make sure everything is there. I was offered a bike with tank entirely painted yellow and can safely assume it has dents. Ross Thompson has retired so our best source on this continent for alloy tank repairs has gone away.

And for my too nice to ride comment I have others I do ride. The Duc is too valuable and will be sold to fund some more usable toys.

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As folks have pointed out it is really pretty simple to swap out a 8" conical and low fender with a 6" conical and high fender. Especially if the rest of the TR5T is in very good condition. The 6" conical hubs are easy to find (I have a bunch of them). Lace on a 21" front rim, get a high fender mount bracket, and put on a high fender. I have some chrome high fenders with the side indents made for the TR5T by Autocycle in the UK. Most folks have no idea of what was original on their bikes if they were not the person who rolled it off the dealers floor. And as Kurt points out what rolled off the dealers floor may not have been what came in the back in a crate. If you want an excellent condition bike that is nut and bolt original in every way then you pay for it, but it sounds like you just want a nice condition TR5T that looks like you want it to look.

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Originally Posted by Peter Quick
As folks have pointed out it is really pretty simple to swap out a 8" conical and low fender with a 6" conical and high fender. Especially if the rest of the TR5T is in very good condition. The 6" conical hubs are easy to find (I have a bunch of them). Lace on a 21" front rim, get a high fender mount bracket, and put on a high fender. I have some chrome high fenders with the side indents made for the TR5T by Autocycle in the UK. Most folks have no idea of what was original on their bikes if they were not the person who rolled it off the dealers floor. And as Kurt points out what rolled off the dealers floor may not have been what came in the back in a crate. If you want an excellent condition bike that is nut and bolt original in every way then you pay for it, but it sounds like you just want a nice condition TR5T that looks like you want it to look.

Peter


^^ Good information right there, thanks, Peter, and thanks to Daron for starting this very good discussion, and everybody who is contributing. (Did I leave anyone out?)

A couple of years ago, a forum member was looking for a TR5T, and I posted a link to a CraigsList ad in NH that led him to a decent but long-sat example, which he got running, new tires, spiffed up, then took it on one trail ride and decided that it was too nice to ride on the dirt.

In my case, it was word of mouth in finding the TR5T not far from where I live, and owned by trail-riding legend Bob Hicks (yep, the Bob Hicks) who had bought it many years ago from another friend of mine. Bob had used the bike as his primary woods bike for many years, so it was well used but not abused and bent. My aim is to build it light and reliable. Fortunately, so many of the original parts are still with it, tank, seat, exhaust (with spark arrester), air cleaner, side covers ... .

The way I got it:

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Question:

Which color was original for the cylinder barrel. black or silver?



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Hi Kurt,

Originally Posted by kurt fischer
Which color was original for the cylinder barrel. black or silver?

The (likely) factory picture in The Triumph Trophy Bible shows black but, given the standard colour for 350/500 barrels was silver, I wouldn't be surprised to find either.

Hth.

Regards,

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Originally Posted by Stuart
Hi Kurt,

Originally Posted by kurt fischer
Which color was original for the cylinder barrel. black or silver?

The (likely) factory picture in The Triumph Trophy Bible shows black but, given the standard colour for 350/500 barrels was silver, I wouldn't be surprised to find either.

Hth.

Regards,


Thanks, Stuart, I've seen them only in black, that is, until I saw Les's picture.


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#714774 - 11/12/17 4:32 pm Re: WANTED mint Triumph TR5T [Re: slowpoke28787]  
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IME most unit 500s had silver barrels.
However both of my TR5Ts have black barrels.
The 74 was "restored" several years before I bought it and the restoration was not a particularly accurate one so originally it could have been?
However my 73 Was bought from a guy in northern MA--near the MA/NH state line who had only had it a year and had not done anything to it.
He however had bought it from the original owner-- a farmer in NH who used it to get around his farm.
So I think this is the original finish --on this bike at least.
But Stuart is correct--they might have been black and they might have been silver or they might have been some of each.
At that time things were pretty chaotic at Meriden and non standard things were being done all the time just to get bikes out of the door.

Incidentally it seems to me that a lot of the TR5Ts in US are in the north east.
Here is my theory as to why:
In 1973 the 48th ISDT (International Six Days Trial) was held at Dalton at the Berkshire Hills in MA.
Both the UK and US teams were equipped with TR5Ts (Trophy Trail is the US designation, Adventurer is the UK designation).
Although neither team won they both did pretty well.
I guess the event received a fair bit of publicity at the time and that this did some good for sales of TR5T bikes--particularly in the North East.

Just my two centsworth of course.

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Thanks, Richard, all good points.

Since this thread seems to be turning into all things TR5T, I found this informative thread from two years ago:

http://www.britbike.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=627914&page=1

Interesting to me especially for a couple of things:

1) the discussion of exhaust options, like 2-into-1 header and a high-level sausage muffler.

2) Les P posted two links that no longer load (for me anyway). Les, any chance you could update those links?

Thanks,

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Originally Posted by kurt fischer
Thanks, Richard, all good points.

Since this thread seems to be turning into all things TR5T, I found this informative thread from two years ago:

http://www.britbike.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=627914&page=1

Interesting to me especially for a couple of things:

1) the discussion of exhaust options, like 2-into-1 header and a high-level sausage muffler.

2) Les P posted two links that no longer load (for me anyway). Les, any chance you could update those links?

Thanks,


Will do Kurt when I get back.
I am day 2 of a 2000+ km round trip (will take 2 trips) to pick some of my bikes including a TR5T .
I think black was the only colour/color for the cylinders, the bike with the silver cylinder is modified quite a bit (that is not a stock muffler also) so that cylinder might even be one of the aftermarket alloy versions.
I will upload those those PDFs asap and any other TR5T bits I can find.

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Originally Posted by Les P


Will do Kurt when I get back.
I am day 2 of a 2000+ km round trip (will take 2 trips) to pick some of my bikes including a TR5T .
I think black was the only colour/color for the cylinders, the bike with the silver cylinder is modified quite a bit (that is not a stock muffler also) so that cylinder might even be one of the aftermarket alloy versions.
I will upload those those PDFs asap and any other TR5T bits I can find.


Great, thanks, Les.


Also, on this eBay auction, 23 bids, winning bid $5670 --

Originally Posted by Jon W. Whitley
Originally Posted by slowpoke28787
There is one on Ebay now with the same swap. Looks good but low fender and larger hub with 19 inch wheel. My concern with such a bike where the owner claims it is original is that they don't know full history and why it was swapped. Fine if for better braking but a concern when seller is vague on why it's not how it came new.


Is this the bike you are referring too ?

https://www.eBay.com/itm/1973-Triumph-Trophy/222709000760?hash=item33da7daa38:g:crAAAOSwzXxaALKb&vxp=mtr


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I did bid on this one towards the end but with shipping, the swapping to correct front wheel and the sellers poor photos and reluctance to answer questions I decided to be patient. The right one is out there. I appreciate all the points made.

Daron

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