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Japanese bike build #713605
11/02/17 4:35 pm
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Do any of you mess around with Japanese bikes? Other than one old dirt bike, I have never owned one... So...a few months ago I picked up a neglected 81 Honda 750 C...Ugly but runs well....
It's being restyled into my idea of a cafe racer....I cut off a lot of brackets from the frame, replaced the front fork assembly with 41MM unit from a 96 750 Interceptor. The wheels ,16 inch front, 18 rear, are also from various year Interceptors.. Dual 12 inch discs in front, single disc in rear, not shown in photo.Hand made rear set pegs and linkage.. You all recognize the rear fender?..After the mock up is finished, the thing gets disassembled, I'll finish the welding and paint it...

Not my hillbilly house grin

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Re: Japanese bike build [Re: Hillbilly bike] #713618
11/02/17 5:04 pm
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what was wrong with the reverse comstars?


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Re: Japanese bike build [Re: kevin roberts] #713622
11/02/17 5:25 pm
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Originally Posted by kevin roberts
what was wrong with the reverse comstars?


The rear was a 16 inch drum brake....The front was a 19 inch with smaller dual discs.... I wanted wider tire on the rear, 18 x 3.5 to fit an Avon 150/70-18....And a disc brake....The 17 on the front has a 120/70 tire and larger discs with better calipers and a large tubular axle that matches the 96 Interceptor front forks... With the bike sitting like you see it now the fork rake is 26 degrees like the Interceptor ....These things are cows with a stock weight of about 550 pounds with fuel...I'm hoping to get it down to around 500 pounds..My 96 900M Ducati is around 430 pounds with fuel and feels like a vintage Triumph in comparison to the Honda..


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Re: Japanese bike build [Re: Hillbilly bike] #713631
11/02/17 7:38 pm
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Originally Posted by Hillbilly bike
Do any of you mess around with Japanese bikes?



Yes, I have two, a 1974 Honda CB750 and a 1973 Honda CB500. Cool bikes ! My 750 is a very nice runner and although the 500 runs, I am rebuilding the carbs at the moment. They are both outfitted in Boss Maroon Metallic tanks.....sweet !!



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1957 6T Thunderbird 650
1968 T100R Daytona 500
1971 TR6R Tiger 650
1970 BSA A65F 650
1955 Tiger 100 - Project

Re: Japanese bike build [Re: Jon W. Whitley] #713652
11/02/17 9:56 pm
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I would have preferred a SOHC 750 but the prices have gone up even for junky bikes..


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Re: Japanese bike build [Re: Hillbilly bike] #713653
11/02/17 10:00 pm
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I don't really care for building up a Japanese bike. I personally don't think they modify well. Kind of like Nortons. They don't make very good customs unless you basically stay close to the original styling.

Admittedly those boxy designs from the 70's and 80's don't work for most of us. Kind of kelvinator styling.....

So, I bought one of these.

[Linked Image]1985 Honda Nighthawk CB650sc 05
In just a few short years, the Japanese bikes went from under powered, overweight and not very pretty to some very nice motorcycles.

Shaft drive, 470 lbs, 70bhp, hydraulic valves, EI, rubber mounted motor, LCD dash display with fuel guage, double discs anti-dive forks and so on. My friend's hotrod Norton can give it a run for it's money, but nothing else of this vintage can touch it around here.

Only down side is fuel economy. 32-36mpg most of the time. Totally my fault. I can't keep my hand out of the throttle.

Cheers,
Bill


Bikes
1974 Commando
1985 Honda Nighthawk 650
1957 Thunderbird/T110 "Flying Tiger"
Antique Fans: Loads of Emersons (Two six wingers) plus gyros and orbiters.
Re: Japanese bike build [Re: Hillbilly bike] #713667
11/02/17 11:50 pm
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I know of a late model Honda 750 F1 in storage. Original everything with good paint and it turns over with compression. Any takers ?


Don't hide 'em, Ride 'em !!

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Cornelia, GA

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Re: Japanese bike build [Re: Hillbilly bike] #713678
11/03/17 1:55 am
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get thee behind me, mr whatley.


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Re: Japanese bike build [Re: Hillbilly bike] #713682
11/03/17 2:28 am
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My 305 didn't need no stinkin' mods ... just fine the way it came out of the box ...

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2005 Ducati MTS 1000S DS - 2012 Ducati Hyper 796 - 2014 Kawasaki ZX1000
Re: Japanese bike build [Re: Hillbilly bike] #713700
11/03/17 7:43 am
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Mullaloo Western Straya
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I got a couple of NOS CB750 clutch covers that I use to stop my BSA sidestand from sinking into the grass after it's been raining !! ..

Does that count ? beerchug laughing

Re: Japanese bike build [Re: Hillbilly bike] #713703
11/03/17 11:59 am
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The bike is coming along quickly Tony. My project seems to move at a snail's pace. It's going well, just not quickly. Anyway your bike looks sharp, big change from the ugly blob it was.

Honda clutch covers for sidestand pads? Recycled or as they say nowadays Upcycled!

Al


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Re: Japanese bike build [Re: Hillbilly bike] #713824
11/04/17 2:53 pm
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XS 1100 heavy bike but good fun.

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Re: Japanese bike build [Re: konon] #713840
11/04/17 4:27 pm
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1972 Triumph T120
1968 BSA A65
1968 MGB Roadster
1979 Chevrolet Camaro Berlinetta
1969 Honda Mini Trail
1939 farmall f30 tractor
2004 Honda Shadow Aero
1972 BSA Thunderbolt
1975 yamaha xs650b
1972 Norton commando project
Re: Japanese bike build [Re: Hillbilly bike] #714039
11/06/17 2:56 pm
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Dime City Cycles Largo Fl. lots of stuff an ideas. I have a really nice running 78 GS-750 cafe'r

Re: Japanese bike build [Re: Hillbilly bike] #714182
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91 Honda ST1100 sport touring has been loads of fun. The bike was new to me last Spring and ran roughly. It is a low mileage machine, 21,500. The engine, a V4 w/ buckets of power delivers 100hp. Water cooled, 5 speed w/ a driveshaft.

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New OEM Bridgestone tires, plugs, air and gas filters made a big diff.

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67 T120R Bonneville
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Re: Japanese bike build [Re: Hillbilly bike] #714185
11/07/17 3:36 pm
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Dave, the Honda ST is a popular bike in the New England Riders group. I might look around for a good used one, thinking of putting the Kawasaki up for sale in the spring, 'way too much power, even though I ride it in the "low" power (70%) mode. One rider I met said to me, "That's a young man's bike," and he was right! laugh

Still, maintenance is minimal, lube the chain, change oil and filter, tire pressures ... and weighs 140 pounds less than the ST.

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^^ Breezy hilltop in Hawley, Massachusetts.


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1968-70-71 Triumph TR6R Bitsa - 1969 Triumph TR6R - 1971 BSA A65L - 1973 Triumph TR5T
2005 Ducati MTS 1000S DS - 2012 Ducati Hyper 796 - 2014 Kawasaki ZX1000
Re: Japanese bike build [Re: kurt fischer] #714195
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I had considered a Honda ST 1100 for a cafe build because of the unique engine . Wrecks were availabe but still pricey. And the bike without body panels is not pretty and would require extensive frame modifications. The cost would have exceeded my meager budget


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Re: Japanese bike build [Re: Hillbilly bike] #714263
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Kurt, in 95 ABS was introduced to the ST. If in the market again I'd find one w/ that feature. Also, soon after the engine became fuel injected, better.

ST's are available w/ tech help and support here.... http://www.st-owners.com/


These fellows know it all, they've been a help to me w/ repairs and upgrades. Dave


66 TR6R Trophy
67 T120R Bonneville
68 BMW R60/US
69 T100R Daytona

Re: Japanese bike build [Re: Hillbilly bike] #714266
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Thanks, Dave, FI is a good feature, keeping the five AMALs on my four BBs serviced is enough carburetion for me.

In terms of the theme of this thread, bike build, even starting with a new bike means building it to suit, for me at least. When I started riding in '62, comfort was not an issue. These days, what was comfortable a year ago can be painful for me now. I think I was riding shorter distances back then, while now, three hours is a short ride, and I like to get out for a full day. So I have to "mod" the bike to suit -- not really modification as in fabrication, but bolting on accessories, but the yutes on the forums call 'em mods. For my Kawasaki it meant installing a windscreen that deflects the air over me instead of at my neck (helmet-lifting mode), mirror extenders so I can see more than my elbows, rider peg lowering blocks, and the best "mod" really was a mod, Traxxion Dynamics modded the rear shock so it actually works as a shock absorber instead of a rear strut. But hey, the bike was a bargain, then I spent over $2K to get it to suit me. grin


Kurt
1968-70-71 Triumph TR6R Bitsa - 1969 Triumph TR6R - 1971 BSA A65L - 1973 Triumph TR5T
2005 Ducati MTS 1000S DS - 2012 Ducati Hyper 796 - 2014 Kawasaki ZX1000
Re: Japanese bike build [Re: Hillbilly bike] #716962
11/28/17 2:29 pm
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I pulled the engine because have to do finish welding on the frame modifications that's easier if the frame is inverted..And it's say to flip over without the 190 pound engine lump....And while the engine is on the bench it's easier to pull the head and cylinder to replace the leaking cylinder base gasket....
This is my first disassembly of a Japanese four cylinder bike engine.It's a bit intimidating with all them parts but as I learned in construction, a big job is just a series of small jobs.....It's laid out in a logical order so it's not bad to work on..The speedometer shows 30K miles but I believe it's not the original speedometer....Nothing is worn despite the dirty looking oil..I'm replacing the rings just because I have a set ...I honed the cylinders that show no wear ridge..No special tools needed other than a 10 buck valve bucket depressor to change valve adjustment shims...The valves were in reasonable adjustment...But... I had the head on it side to drain residual oil but my elbow hit the head and half the shims and buckets fell out in total disarray..... crazy

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Re: Japanese bike build [Re: kurt fischer] #716963
11/28/17 2:40 pm
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Originally Posted by kurt fischer
Dave, the Honda ST is a popular bike in the New England Riders group. I might look around for a good used one, thinking of putting the Kawasaki up for sale in the spring, 'way too much power, even though I ride it in the "low" power (70%) mode. ......

Still, maintenance is minimal, lube the chain, change oil and filter, tire pressures ... and weighs 140 pounds less than the ST. ....




When my youngest turned 16 and it was time to teach him to ride a motorcycle on the street, I gave him the use of my 8 valve 1000cc Moto Guzzi Centauro. Lots of horsepower and torque, most people would have considered it to have "way too much power" for a new rider.

However, there's a way to control the power and it's in your right hand all the time! The Centauro would go like a CB350 Honda if that's what you asked it to do. I would think that the positives of your Kawasaki (low maintenance and light weight) would trump the concern that the bike "has" too much power.

It doesn't have it if you don't call it up!

Lannis


I stopped believing for a little while this morning. Journey is really going to be upset.
Re: Japanese bike build [Re: Hillbilly bike] #717003
11/28/17 7:05 pm
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I few years ago I tore down the top end of my Kawasaki. These old Japanese motors would last forever if the valve guide seals didn't give up the ghost. Once they start smoking, there really isn't any options but to replace them.

And, compared to our old lumps, there are a lot of parts and it can be intimidating at first. But once you're in there and see how things are engineered, your confidence will go up.

And assembly is straightforward (as long as you don't knock all your buckets and shims on the ground!) I got lucky and all my valves measured out to be within spec except one which was a half thou tight, so a little time wet sanding fixed that. Adjusting the valves on these OHC motors can be time consuming since you have measure accurately, then order the correct shim for each valve. Documentation is vital.
Once together, it is very gratifying to push the button and have the motor working perfectly first time.
The "fettling" time is greatly reduced on these well engineered motors.

Cheers,
Bill


Bikes
1974 Commando
1985 Honda Nighthawk 650
1957 Thunderbird/T110 "Flying Tiger"
Antique Fans: Loads of Emersons (Two six wingers) plus gyros and orbiters.
Re: Japanese bike build [Re: HawaiianTiger] #717016
11/28/17 8:04 pm
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The valves on the Honda were all 4-6 thousands,the genuine Honda service manual says 2 thousands.....But it seems .002 is too tight and 4-6 is what is what's commonly used..,Interesting the DOHC Hondas of this era has a stamped plate chain primary drive...My 96 Ducati 900 engine has better finished castings and "aviation" engineering compared to the Honda...But overall an engine is an engine ...


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Re: Japanese bike build [Re: Lannis] #717042
11/28/17 11:50 pm
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Originally Posted by Lannis


When my youngest turned 16 and it was time to teach him to ride a motorcycle on the street, I gave him the use of my 8 valve 1000cc Moto Guzzi Centauro. Lots of horsepower and torque, most people would have considered it to have "way too much power" for a new rider.

However, there's a way to control the power and it's in your right hand all the time! The Centauro would go like a CB350 Honda if that's what you asked it to do. I would think that the positives of your Kawasaki (low maintenance and light weight) would trump the concern that the bike "has" too much power.

It doesn't have it if you don't call it up!

Lannis


How true, Lannis, "if" being the key word! When you have the power, it's always tempting to use it. Machines like my Kawasaki operate well from 2000 rpm to 11000 rpm, so you can purr along, or scream.

Motorcyclist magazine referred to the "wheelie gearing" on the N1K (that's Kawi-speak for Ninja 1000, dontcha know), so I changed the sprockets from 15/41 to 16/39, much better, and I installed a "throttle tamer" throttle tube, even better.
https://www.g2ergo.com/store/g2-street-tamer-throttle-tube/

I just invested in new tires, Dunlop RoadSmart 3, so I expect I'll keep the bike for a while.

Gonna be 55F and sunny tomorrow, will take it out for a few hours, the BBs are all set for the winter.




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Kurt
1968-70-71 Triumph TR6R Bitsa - 1969 Triumph TR6R - 1971 BSA A65L - 1973 Triumph TR5T
2005 Ducati MTS 1000S DS - 2012 Ducati Hyper 796 - 2014 Kawasaki ZX1000
Re: Japanese bike build [Re: Hillbilly bike] #718119
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I painted the frame and the bike is being assembled....I polished the lower legs on the 41MM Showa forks, dual 300mm discs and a rear disc brake ...The stock fuel tank will get shiny paint ...Today the engine gets new rings and valve guide seals...

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