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1969 tr25w on craigslist #712263
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Re: 1969 tr25w on craigslist [Re: bryan johnson] #712299
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Re: 1969 tr25w on craigslist [Re: bryan johnson] #712304
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Five years ago you couldn't give those things away .... !


I stopped believing for a little while this morning. Journey is really going to be upset.
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Originally Posted by Lannis
Five years ago you couldn't give those things away .... !

The same could be said of most British bikes

Re: 1969 tr25w on craigslist [Re: bryan johnson] #712511
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True, but much more true for the B/T25. Twins like Tigers or Lightnings have gone up 50% or so, Commandos have doubled. But the 250 unit singles have gone from "can't give it away", maybe $1000 for a really nice one, to two or three times that ....

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Re: 1969 tr25w on craigslist [Re: Lannis] #712548
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Originally Posted by Lannis
True, but much more true for the B/T25. Twins like Tigers or Lightnings have gone up 50% or so, Commandos have doubled. But the 250 unit singles have gone from "can't give it away", maybe $1000 for a really nice one, to two or three times that ....

Lannis

Restoration costs have gone up which is reflected in those rising prices; it is hard to restore one for the asking price. Just because you might not think its worth that to you doesn't mean it isn't worth saving for someone else.

Re: 1969 tr25w on craigslist [Re: bryan johnson] #712577
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I'm not saying it's not "worth it" to me, really. The problem for years has been that it costs about the same to restore an A65 twin or a 441 as it costs to restore a 250, and they've never been worth much restored, nowhere near the cost of restoration ... up till now. NOW they're starting to come out of the woodwork since the prices have gone up ... I blame Moto Giro!

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Re: 1969 tr25w on craigslist [Re: bryan johnson] #712591
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IMHO the situation is one where when you mention Triumph to anyone in US over 45 they immediately think of a 650 or 750 twin.
So if they want to relive their youth that is what they look for.
But over the years the prices of the 650/750 twins has increased so people have had to look a little wider for their purchases---mainly to the triples and the 500 twins.
Now they are increasing in price so the attention has increased on the 250s.
Perhaps aided by the fact that they are lighter and thought to be easier to start.
It is interesting---I bought a couple of B25s 5 years ago and paid $195 each.
What is next?---maybe C15s, Tiger Cubs and Bantams -- if you can find any.
Just my two centsworth of course.

Re: 1969 tr25w on craigslist [Re: Tridentman] #712600
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Originally Posted by Tridentman
IMHO the situation is one where when you mention Triumph to anyone in US over 45 they immediately think of a 650 or 750 twin.
So if they want to relive their youth that is what they look for.
But over the years the prices of the 650/750 twins has increased so people have had to look a little wider for their purchases---mainly to the triples and the 500 twins.
Now they are increasing in price so the attention has increased on the 250s.
Perhaps aided by the fact that they are lighter and thought to be easier to start.
It is interesting---I bought a couple of B25s 5 years ago and paid $195 each.
What is next?---maybe C15s, Tiger Cubs and Bantams -- if you can find any.
Just my two centsworth of course.



What you describe is probably a major factor in the price rise ....

The only difference is that MOST people that are determined to ride an old British bike can get to weekend lunches and BritBike rallies and a 200 mile ride up on the Parkway using a 650 Triumph or BSA, or a 500.

But it takes a dedicated mechanic, a fierce, determined focus, and a lot of desire to make a unit 250 get down the road reliably and safely. Gordon Gray can do it, Mr. Mike did it back in college, and I've met a couple of Kentishmen that could do it, but not the general population, not by no means .... !

So most of them will spend even more time on trailers, on display, or just sitting in the shed than will a twin of the same vintage ....

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I think you're underestimating what a good 250 is capable of, and there is less maintenance required than a twin as there is only one set of points and valves to set. Part of my personal enjoyment with British machinery is that they do require maintenance, which not for everyone,but I can't believe I'm the only one.

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Originally Posted by bryan johnson
I think you're underestimating what a good 250 is capable of, and there is less maintenance required than a twin as there is only one set of points and valves to set. Part of my personal enjoyment with British machinery is that they do require maintenance, which not for everyone,but I can't believe I'm the only one.


If I am "underestimating what they're capable of", I'm not the only one.

I've been riding with groups of Britbikers for a long time now, starting in 1973 when I bought my first BSA. And I know a good few people who own 250s.

But, with the exception of Gordon (last time was this past May in Pennsylvania) and Mr. Mike (but that was 40 years ago), plus one madman in Kent who attended the monthly BSA meeting at the Cock Inn ...

I've never been on a ride with ANYONE seriously riding a 250 out on the public roads. Trials bikes, green-laning, sometimes, but I've seen more M20s on the road than I've seen B or T25s.

I've ridden my 16 HP M21 (cruising speed 48 MPH, top speed 64 MPH) on the roads quite a bit, thousands of miles, to rallies and bike nights and such, so I know about riding slow bikes on US roads; and you have to be a bit mad or dedicated to even do it. But even given that, I don't see any 250s out there ....

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Re: 1969 tr25w on craigslist [Re: bryan johnson] #712723
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IMHO it is nothing to do with how many sets of points there are---it is the perception that they have a classic British bike to ride to the local meet/local bar etc.
No great distances and the affordability means that the 250s are in more demand--and hence their prices are increasing.
Market economics I guess you could say.
Just my two centsworth of course.

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I was referring to the comment that the 250s require more maintenance than a twin, so it does make a difference with maintaining the bike.

Just because you don't see them doesn't mean they aren't adequate. Part of the problem with the 250s was the unwarranted reputation they had of being unreliable so few bothered to save them. You couldn't give away an Edsel for years till they became hard to find, and the prices rose rather abruptly. First generation Honda Elsinores are selling for significant prices now because few were saved even though they made quite a few of them.
Granted, the 250 I'm riding now is a dedicated motocrosser, I have beat better riders on 441s and even a 650 preunit BSA, and I have the video to prove it. As compared to the 441, stock they were only 1/2 a second behind in the quarter and actually were 1 mph faster. To totally dismiss them as being under powered or
high maintenance doesn't hold water with me. Here in the U.S, everyone wants the biggest, but there's nothing wrong with the humble B25 or its Triumph variants.


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