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Goldie project wanted #708896
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Some of you fellows will remember that I very foolishly ignored advice and sold my restored Goldie !, since then I had bought a project bike .... sight unseen.... which turned out to be more of a nightmare than I had bargained for, well and truly conned !!.
That project has moved on.
My quest now is to find another Gold Star project bike .... budget does not run to a fully restored bike.
If any of you fellows have, or know of a project looking for a home I would appreciate a heads up.
My apologies for not posting in the For Sale / Wanted forum, but this is a specific request for a Gold Star project and this seemed a more appropriate site.

Thanks for any and all help / advice.

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Re: Goldie project wanted [Re: limeyrider] #708964
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I have a Goldstar with a 59 frame and a 60 motor it's a rolling bike with a rebuilt motor and trans plus alloy rims and 190 Fr brk plus title call me if you have any interest or anyone else thanks fred 201-836-2227

Re: Goldie project wanted [Re: limeyrider] #708972
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Hello James, I'm still having nightmares about buying your bike! It was a great bike and I wish you would have bought it back when offered. I do have a bitsa that I would possibly sell. It's a CB34 motor put into an A/7-A/10 frame. The bike ran when I bought it a little over a year ago. The project bike you looked at a couple years ago recently sold to a chap in California. That was a real project!

Re: Goldie project wanted [Re: limeyrider] #708977
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At least, Goldie projects seem to be still out there in the US of A, it would be much more difficult (bordering to impossible) on this side of the pond.
I wish James succes in the hunt for a new project, let us know how it turns out.


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Re: Goldie project wanted [Re: goodtry] #708998
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Hi Joe,
It seems utterly ridiculous to me to have become so attached to a MOTORBIKE !!... but there it is, I have kicked myself sooooo many times for " A " selling in the first place,and " B" not taking you up on the offer to buy back .... that just did not seem ethical at the time.
Anyway, you don't need to suffer the nightmares .... a severe lapse of equilibrium on my part !.
Can you shoot a couple of photo's to me of the project that you mentioned , please ?.
How is the Vincent running ?..... stupid question !!!. smile
Sleep well !.

Thanks again,

James.

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Hi Peter ... nice to hear from you again !.... not having a Goldie excludes me from some lively conversations , and a fountain of knowledge that you were part of.
I am looking at a project from goldstarfreddie at the moment .....

Thanks again,

James.

Re: Goldie project wanted [Re: limeyrider] #709002
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James ... There are still Goldie projects to be found in unlikely places. Earlier this year I bought a complete but rough DBD Clubman rolling chassis minus the engine and tranny that the owner, a CA friend, had removed the engine and tranny for one of his dirt tracker projects. I have a complete tranny and engine top end but other pieces will require 'many many dollars' to complete the project 'properly' plus a lot of time engine building, stripping, sand blasting and painting pieces. I'm still questioning myself doing this late in life having two nice Goldies and a pair of RD Yamahas in the garage. aargh

As I'm sure this will be last GS project, I will have many 'extra' pieces to sell. I'll list them here on bb.com before going to eBay.
Wishing you good luck finding another Goldie.

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Hey Dave .... another familiar "voice" from bygone days !.
It took me the better part of thirty years to find the Goldie that I restored ...and subsequently sold !! .... the usual obstacles ... job, a Trans Atlantic move, family, money etc. all "got in the way " of my search.
I don't expect in any way to be so fortunate again .... my Goldie was a real " find ",and had an interesting connection to racing as it had belonged to Ted Hubbard at one point !.
Already, as you may have seen two good people have provided connections to possible projects.
You are fortunate in having two nice Goldies AND a brace of RD Yamaha's to pick from !! .... currently I have a fine, lightweight Schwinn ! .... but it keeps me fit smile.

Thanks for your contact,and good wishes.

James.

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59 goldstar pics for anyone who has an interest if limeyrider turns it down. thanks fred




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Re: Goldie project wanted [Re: limeyrider] #709118
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Nice looking Bike Freddy, not much of a project though, that's like the model airplanes we used to buy "ARF" almost ready to fly!

Re: Goldie project wanted [Re: limeyrider] #710174
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Still looking !!!!

Re: Goldie project wanted [Re: limeyrider] #710187
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You didn't say road or dirt....I assume you saw this on eBay? It is posted on the Hot Links Forum?

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Thanks Dave, yes, I had seen that bike, I'm a little gun shy about buying without a title.having gone through that " circus " with my previous Gold Star, the North Carolina DMV can get quite " tricky " , especially with machines that have never been titled and are out of state.
To be more specific in my search .... prefer a DBD34 Clubman ... realising that " beggars can't be chooser's " !

Thanks again.

James.

Re: Goldie project wanted [Re: limeyrider] #710216
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Originally Posted by limeyrider
To be more specific in my search .... prefer a DBD34 Clubman ... realising that " beggars can't be chooser's " !
Even though you're looking for a DBD Clubman it may be worth pointing out that until the CB32C frame was introduced for the Catalina in 1959 the Clubmans and scramblers (even ones named "Catalina") shared 98% of the parts. Since the casting numbers for the heads are hidden once the engine is assembled, only the builder would know if a particular DB configured as a 'Clubman' had started life as a scrambler.

Re: Goldie project wanted [Re: limeyrider] #710217
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Regarding that custom dirt tracker up there on eBay...

Is that a reasonable price for a project that's missing some original parts? Considering the cost to correctly restore to stock, and the nicely restored gold stars that aren't selling on Craigslist at what I feel are reasonable prices, this one seems ludicrous. Same for another local project in similar condition offered at a similar price...

I just want a Goldy project and can't afford the entry fee, apparently.

Chris

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Originally Posted by Chris Johnson
Is that a reasonable price for a project that's missing some original parts?
It's not missing very much at all and it actually runs. However, since the 19 bids didn't reach reserve at $7500 we don't know what the asking price was. It's a DB, which knocks a few dollars off, but claimed to have matching numbers which adds dollars back. Assuming an inspection didn't turn up anything to worry about, if someone bought that project bike at $7500 and put ~$2500 into it (plus their own free labor) they could have a bike whose value at that point would be several thousand more than they had spent. If that fits your definition of "reasonable" then, yes, $7500 is quite reasonable.

Re: Goldie project wanted [Re: limeyrider] #710224
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I expect anything without proof to need a complete and comprehensive mechanical overhaul. Chrome, plating, paint, polishing, ancillary electro-mechanical rebuilds, tracking down hard to find, correct sheet metal all adds up. And time isn't free. When shops are getting $100/hr, my time is worth something.

I can get damn near anything to run so the fact that it runs only ensures that the piston won't fight me on disassembly. It's still 60 years old and likely well-flogged. Matching numbers does mean a lot to me (resale value) and titles are easy to get in CA if you know how to do it.

I'm far from knowing Gold Star stuff but I see that bike and immediately assume it has the wrong tank & seat and is missing the front fender. To me it's just another custom.

It's definitely a labor of love but it's tough to justify that entry cost for something that needs every part massaged. Also I dont like to be the guy that's thinking of resale, but reality dictates that it will get sold at some point.

Anyhow, knowing that a $7500 project bike isn't out of line does help me adjust my expectations.

Chris

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Originally Posted by Chris Johnson
When shops are getting $100/hr, my time is worth something.
Well, that depends. Someone whose only source of income is, say, building model railroad sets might charge $100/hour for his work. At the same time someone whose hobby is model trains might spend hours watching them go around the track for free even though his job may pay him $500,000/year. This past year I rebuilt the magnetos for my Catalina and BB Gold Stars. If I charged myself for the labor, those two rebuilds would have nearly bought that project bike.

If old bikes are a hobby, it's one thing, if it's a business, it's another, and if it's both, it's something else.

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I absolutely agree with you, fundamentally. However, I've drawn my line much further into the conservative side of the cost vs pleasure trade-off. And considering that Triumph was last man standing by the time I was born, I'm not throwing money at lost youth when it comes to these bikes. It really is a cold dose of reality to know that you guys don't blink at these kinds of prices for a project.

Chris

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Originally Posted by Chris Johnson
It really is a cold dose of reality to know that you guys don't blink at these kinds of prices for a project.
I can only speak for myself, but who says I don't blink?

Originally Posted by Chris Johnson
I'm not throwing money at lost youth when it comes to these bikes.
That's a harder one to explain. I was hooked for life when someone gave me a ride across Des Moines on the back of a Triumph Thunderbird when I was nine, got my first bike (a Honda 50) when I was 15-1/2, and have never been without a bike(s) since then. I have modern as well as old ones, so for decades I've been throwing money at my lost youth, lost middle age, and lost old age with bikes.

I rode my BB Gold Star today and it's not that it triggers specific lost youth memories, it's that the BB has a significantly different behavior than a, say, modern Ducati. Liking bikes as I have since my youth, I like the various riding experiences different bikes give me.

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BSA claimed that the Gold Star could easily be converted from road racer to scrambler to road etc. Many people over the years will have done these conversions and many bikes will still carry these conversions.
Although a bike restored to the exact specification which it left the factory is desirable by some, it is also important to recognise the history of each individual bike. The Gold Star was essentially a competition bike and I'm sure BSA expected most of them to be modified as soon as the owner got them home.
Now where can I get some genuine 1955 air to fill my B31 tyres?


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Chris,

Gold Stars were long gone in my misspent youth. And, got to say, the odd Gold Star I was around or even got to ride, were underwhelming at best. So I never really had much desire to own a Gold Star.

10 years ago, good friend of mine passed away. He had a Gold Star which I ended up buying. It looked decent and I paid a good price for it.

I have completely rebuild the bike as it ran but was well and truly worn out. Then sorted out assorted issues that kept it from running right.

Yea, price of admission for a Gold Star is somewhat higher, but when they are right........the bike is worth it. Once I got mine sorted out, then I discovered why they have their reputation.

Sure they have the looks, but a Gold Star is a lot more than a pretty face. Good handling with a motor that simply amazes me with every ride. I now truly get it when it comes to a Gold Star

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Thanks guys for your thoughts! It's more of a curiosity for me, having heard the legends but not experienced it for myself. Personally I'm enamored by the art of the machine (that GS engine is gorgeous) and I get a kick out of using a 50, 60, 70 year old bike as intended (not only to be put on display).

I'll keep dreaming...
Chris

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..... $2,500 !!.... does not get you much in the way of good quality Gold Star parts , a proper, careful engine build can eat into that figure , gearbox build etc. .... costs climb rapidly.
I was careful and diligent in my search for quality parts for my last Gold Star restoration ...not museum quality by any means ...but a good serviceable bike ...I put over $ 6,500 into the project.

James.

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Hi Chris, This was my reply to the same question a while back.

In 1961 at seventeen years old, I had my first experience at the controls of my brothers DBD Clubmans Goldstar. That was it, I had to have one.
I was obviously aware of the legend and looks of these magnificent machines, as my brother owned one, but once you have experienced riding a Goldstar, which I certaintly hope you will achieve one day. I am sure it will give you the answer to your question.
I realized my ambition to own one the next year, with the purchase of my first Goldstar, a 1960 Clubmans DB 350.
It was a fantastic machine, apart from a DB / D Goldie there was not another 500 cc road bike, and indeed some larger, which could show it a rear tyre. At the time I only weighed ten stone wet through, so I was not hampering it's performance, but for it's size, I think the 350 Goldie engine is superior to the 500.
I have ridden many motorcycles over the years, and IMHO for the period of there production, there was not a road going motorcycle that came close to the thrill of a Goldstar on full song.
Fifty five years on, I still get the grin factor when out on my present 500 Goldie, which I have owned for forty plus years.
As said, the Goldstar excelled in many forms, my favourite being the Clubmans versions.
I just hope the day when I can no longer start it is a long way off, but then I am sure I will still get pleasure from just looking at it.

Hi James
I know of a very good (1960 I think) DBD in touring trim, which will be up for sale shortly at a sensible price. Obviously not a project, and also on this side of the pond.


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