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#704763 - 08/12/17 4:20 pm So upset , cylinder broken  
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I sent my 67 650 cylinders out to be bored 20 over. When they arrived they a top fin cracked. Had them bored and the cracked tigged. Looked great. Received them after all the machine work was done. Turned the cylinder over and the cylinder skirt was smashed in and cracked. Now I have ruined cylinder 20 over pistons and rings I can't use.
Any idea what cylinders are good to buy ? I see new ones online but no idea what to get. I didn't see any on eBay that looked good to me. I know British Only standard bore cylinders for 349.00 , they are made by velocette

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#704767 - 08/12/17 4:35 pm Re: So upset , cylinder broken [Re: Mori55]  
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I have no recent experience but I bought one from them about 20 years ago for my 750 Bonnie and it's still good. No fitment issues either.
If you decide to go that route you'll need to swap your tappet guide blocks over to the new cylinder, you'll need the proper drift to do it, I have one you can borrow if you like.


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#704779 - 08/12/17 5:46 pm Re: So upset , cylinder broken [Re: Mori55]  
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► You may have induced extra stress by having the fin TIG welded. Cast iron is funny stuff. I've had excellent luck with simple brazing.

► I have a 650 cylinder in standard size with matching pistons, however 4 fins will need fixing. Make me an offer.

Link to photo of cylinder


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#704781 - 08/12/17 5:47 pm Re: So upset , cylinder broken [Re: Mori55]  
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Thanks I have the tool but never used it. Been reading online about putting them in. Some say heat it , some say don't. I think I'll heat the cylinder up and try to get them lined up right , the first time.
Can't believe UPS can't deliver 90 miles without busting them up. They were packed really good with fragile stickers all over.

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Originally Posted by Mori55
They were packed really good with fragile stickers all over.


First of all, FedEx and UPS guys just throw stuff all over the place because they work for a "for profit" shipper. This throwing stuff can get out of hand when they see a box with Fragile stickers. If you got to ship UPS, then don't use the stickers.

I highly suggest a "not for profit" shipper, where the employees got it made and are absolutely in no hurry at all. A shipper such as the US Post Office.


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#704803 - 08/12/17 6:59 pm Re: So upset , cylinder broken [Re: Mori55]  
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I agree. Use the US postal service, and Priority Mail service in particular. Their website even recommends as parcel post gets rougher handling.

But not for the reasons stated.

The US postal service is a for profit business. It is controlled by the government, but only to insure it remains a monopoly.

Pack your parcels to withstand a trip down a conveyor belt and a drop into a hopper. Then other packages will drop on it. 90% of all handling of parcels is automated so the chances of anyone targeting a box with fragile stickers, or even protecting one, are very slim.

I ship a lot of fragile antiques. One-off stuff that can't be replaced. Over the years I've devised packing that withstands this brutal handling with only the occasional mishap.

Wrap in bubble pack, then fully enclose in foam insulation which has been hollowed out with a hot knife to fit snugly. Then more bubble pack and fit tightly into the box.

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#704819 - 08/12/17 8:40 pm Re: So upset , cylinder broken [Re: Mori55]  
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Can't UPS be sued?


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#704824 - 08/12/17 9:30 pm Re: So upset , cylinder broken [Re: Mori55]  
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Yeah, good luck with all that. I don't even bother to buy insurance anymore because it's so hard to collect.
Best to pay with Paypal. Their insurance actually pays, even for shipping damage. I hear some of the credit cards are also good.

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#704831 - 08/12/17 11:52 pm Re: So upset , cylinder broken [Re: RF Whatley]  
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Originally Posted by RF Whatley
► You may have induced extra stress by having the fin TIG welded. Cast iron is funny stuff. I've had excellent luck with simple brazing.

► I have a 650 cylinder in standard size with matching pistons, however 4 fins will need fixing. Make me an offer.

Link to photo of cylinder


translation: I have some scrap metal I hope some one is stupid enough to buy


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#704832 - 08/13/17 12:00 am Re: So upset , cylinder broken [Re: RF Whatley]  
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Originally Posted by RF Whatley

► I have a 650 cylinder in standard size with matching pistons, however 4 fins will need fixing. Make me an offer.


You pay me $20 and deal done! shocked

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#704838 - 08/13/17 1:51 am Re: So upset , cylinder broken [Re: Mori55]  
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Packaging is your responsibility. I have shipped parts all over the US. Nothing lost, nothing broken. $18 to send my cylinder to N. Hollywood from Bishop by USPS. Best deal on the planet. UPS did lose a fly rod once on a trip to Pgh. But it turned up a few days after I got back to Bishop.


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#704841 - 08/13/17 2:35 am Re: So upset , cylinder broken [Re: Tigernuts]  
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Originally Posted by Tigernuts
Can't UPS be sued?


I don't think they can be sued but you do have the option to insure your package, it costs extra though


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#704847 - 08/13/17 2:51 am Re: So upset , cylinder broken [Re: RF Whatley]  
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This was dented in and cracked at the piston skirt. It was dropped.
My Tig welder is excellent One of the best I've seen. He welded a crack in oil tank and you know how thinthat that is.

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#704848 - 08/13/17 3:08 am Re: So upset , cylinder broken [Re: Mori55]  
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Screw it,I just bought a new cylinder and pistons. Anyone want 20 over IEMGO pistons and Hastenings cast iron rings ? Can't return them since I opened them and put the rings on the pistons. Make a offer.

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#704855 - 08/13/17 7:08 am Re: So upset , cylinder broken [Re: Mori55]  
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Have your new barrels checked by a trusted machine shop. Mine were not bored parallel, most likely due to the faces also not being parallel to each other. It also took me quite some time to remove all the swarf from the head bolt holes. I ended up having to have them resurfaced and bored 20 thou to make them useable.

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#704858 - 08/13/17 10:26 am Re: So upset , cylinder broken [Re: Mori55]  
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Originally Posted by Mori55
Thanks I have the tool but never used it. Been reading online about putting them in. Some say heat it , some say don't. I think I'll heat the cylinder up and try to get them lined up right , the first time.
Can't believe UPS can't deliver 90 miles without busting them up. They were packed really good with fragile stickers all over.


UPS is not a conspiracy...... They have rules... Was the box crushed? UPS liability is $100 unless there is a higher declared valve, the shop should have insured the cylinders for their proper value...If the box was damaged then the procedure is to have the shipper make a claim with UPS.....


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#704859 - 08/13/17 11:54 am Re: So upset , cylinder broken [Re: Mori55]  
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Cranks and barrels through the mail [or any freight type] is difficult because they are so compact and heavy. A steel or wooden box that lets you bolt the item into it is the only real way of stopping damage. It takes more time and is fiddly to make, but it is worth it. I have sent heads, cranks, cases, and barrels locally and overseas and never had an issue. But I always have or make a wooden box and tek screw it together. I also always make up a cradle or mount that bolts into the box.
The only damage I ever experience is the damned cost to send the item.....its always expensive as hell.

#704862 - 08/13/17 1:01 pm Re: So upset , cylinder broken [Re: Mori55]  
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Double-box with proper packing foam, no worries. Even on a deliberate toss.

Costs a bit more due to size of outer box, but ALWAYS worth it.

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#704864 - 08/13/17 1:40 pm Re: So upset , cylinder broken [Re: Mori55]  
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Thanks for all the info !!

#704901 - 08/13/17 6:57 pm Re: So upset , cylinder broken [Re: Mori55]  
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You can use it IMO. I have turned out the entire skirt/spigot, then have a pscial thick "top hat" flange liner made and pressed in. If you can't fit the "top hat " flange, then try to to any step, as long as its a few mm..or else have the sleeve drilled, pegged and bored.............. otherwise a skilled welder can build up smashed skirts/spigots..as long as the bikje is for light use.

#705063 - 08/15/17 1:21 am Re: So upset , cylinder broken [Re: shel]  
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Originally Posted by shel
Originally Posted by RF Whatley
► You may have induced extra stress by having the fin TIG welded. Cast iron is funny stuff. I've had excellent luck with simple brazing.

► I have a 650 cylinder in standard size with matching pistons, however 4 fins will need fixing. Make me an offer.


translation: I have some scrap metal I hope some one is stupid enough to buy


Well, to each his own. The OP needs a standard cylinder, either new or used. If he has a brazing outfit and no money, then this cylinder could be an answer. I didn't say it was for everyone, I said it was cheap. So your personal comments are unnecessary.


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#705091 - 08/15/17 10:49 am Re: So upset , cylinder broken [Re: RF Whatley]  
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Originally Posted by RF Whatley
Originally Posted by Mori55
They were packed really good with fragile stickers all over.


First of all, FedEx and UPS guys just throw stuff all over the place because they work for a "for profit" shipper. This throwing stuff can get out of hand when they see a box with Fragile stickers. If you got to ship UPS, then don't use the stickers.

I highly suggest a "not for profit" shipper, where the employees got it made and are absolutely in no hurry at all. A shipper such as the US Post Office.


Have you ever worked for UPS, Fedex or the USPS in a shipping terminal? Have you ever loaded their trucks at the dock? Perhaps were are/were a delivery driver?


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#705113 - 08/15/17 2:38 pm Re: So upset , cylinder broken [Re: Hillbilly bike]  
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Originally Posted by Hillbilly bike
Have you ever worked for UPS, Fedex or the USPS in a shipping terminal? Have you ever loaded their trucks at the dock? Perhaps were are/were a delivery driver?


No. I worked for a company where we sent several identical weighted packages with G-force recorders, via a wide selection of shippers to our CA office and back. The results were fairly amazing. UPS and FedEx were the roughest by a long shot, but those packages did arrive on schedule.


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Originally Posted by RF Whatley
Originally Posted by Hillbilly bike
Have you ever worked for UPS, Fedex or the USPS in a shipping terminal? Have you ever loaded their trucks at the dock? Perhaps were are/were a delivery driver?


No. I worked for a company where we sent several identical weighted packages with G-force recorders, via a wide selection of shippers to our CA office and back. The results were fairly amazing. UPS and FedEx were the roughest by a long shot, but those packages did arrive on schedule.


There was a survey done a few years ago like you mention.... I did electrical contractor work in UPS and USPS sorting and freight terminals...it's amazing the volume of packages and it's more amazing that most of it gets where it's supposed to go...
I used to rebuilt auto performance manual transmission for a side business..I shipped them by UPS....One thing I learned by seeing how packages are shoved around, you package will be treated better if it has hand holds to so the dock man can get a grip on it...
As far as the OP of this thread is concerned, the fault is on the shipper for not packing the item properly....


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