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#704493 - 08/10/17 4:10 am Stainless steel battery platform for Slimline  
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Some time back, about a year or three I found someone in Canada on the web who was producing among other things stainless steel battery stands to suit a slimline framed Dominator / single cylinder Norton. When my computer blew up I lost the bookmark for this web page & now I need to see if I can track this person down again. This is the small platform that goes inside the battery box that the battery sits on not the platform that the battery box & oil tank sit on OK ! Does anyone out there know who this supplier is & their contact details. Thanking you all in advance. : )


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#704602 - 08/11/17 7:39 am Re: Stainless steel battery platform for Slimline [Re: the tanned gland]  
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I too would like to know of such a battery platform as my Atlas came without one. Was thinking of making one out of a 66 T100 battery box but would be interested in one already made as I am starting to get lazy about some things in my old age.....

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#704620 - 08/11/17 1:10 pm Re: Stainless steel battery platform for Slimline [Re: Wilfred]  
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Seems to me that Mike at Walridge Motors has/had a fellow who was fabricating reproductions of sheet metal parts for Brit bikes.

May be worth contacting Mike at (519) 227-4923 to see what he might be able to supply.

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#704691 - 08/12/17 4:38 am Re: Stainless steel battery platform for Slimline [Re: the tanned gland]  
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Stainless is very rapidly eaten by battery acid, at the least the varieties I have tried.

So, is this the best material to make these in ?
Powdercoated steel may be longer lived ?
Or triple coated in stoved enamel ?
Plastic. ?
Carbon fibre ?

#705329 - Yesterday at 07:39 PM Re: Stainless steel battery platform for Slimline [Re: Wilfred]  
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Hi Wilf,

the guy is in BC for Pete's sake smile

Colin Kelly: http://www.customclassiccycleparts.com/

No worries on the stainless steel. I have always used stainless on all my battery connections with coppaslip, no issues whatsoever.FWIW, a fully charged lead acid battery is only 30% sulfuric acid, and frankly I dont know anyone anymore that used them. Gel batteries, AGM, etc. are the norm & dont leak acid.

All the best,

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#705350 - Yesterday at 10:58 PM Re: Stainless steel battery platform for Slimline [Re: the tanned gland]  
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So if they are not acid resistant, and don't need to be these days, and not visible, where is the advantage in making them in stainless ?? Spose the guy making them can charge 3 times the price.....

btw, the leadacid battery in my old single thumper is 18 years old and still going strong.
Show me the gel battery, AGM etc that can outlive that ?
They seem to need replacing in short order, use them or not ??
And they don't even have a leccy starter to stress them...

#705365 - 8 hours ago Re: Stainless steel battery platform for Slimline [Re: Rohan]  
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Tanned Gland:
As to materials,certain pure metals, such as nickel, aluminum, copper, and lead are a very good choice with battery acid. If you choose to use stainless steel, 316 is a very good choice, but you stainless steel supplier can make recommendations based on what he stocks, and battery acids affect on it.. I wouldnt use stainless steel to store 100% sulfuric acid, but in the 5%-30% diluted form in an old fashioned lead acid battery, I wouldn't worry. Another option is to put the battery in a rubber battery box made for this purpose.

You may want to contact your nearest sheet metal shop, give them a drawing with dimensions. It may be less costly than shipping from BC Canada to Australia



Rohan:

Stainless is not 3 times the price.
We all know you dont like stainless, most of us prefer the upgrade, much like the stainless fenders on most Commandos.
Its the owners choice to use what he likes.

I dont know of anyone who gets 18 years out of any battery, well past its expected lifespan in any case.
Battery manufacturers agree that on average, a motorcycle battery should last 48 months, yet most are lucky to get half of that, and in most cases the battery's premature death can be chalked up to a lack of maintenance. I have never replaced my AGM batterys (10 years old).
Most folks with short life spans on AGM batteries:

1) often dont read the directions on charging them & think they are bad when they really arent because they didnt follow the charging instructions.
2) have other issues that would cause any battery to fail & blame the battery. For example a bad regulator, wiring short, defective ignition switch, bad alternator , bad
dynamo, etc.
3) are using the wrong battery. Emergency light batteries are NOT made for motorcycles

Further discussion on batteries should be on a new post


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#705368 - 5 hours ago Re: Stainless steel battery platform for Slimline [Re: 57nortonmodel77]  
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So where is the advantage in a stainless battery tray in your answer ?

Originally Posted by 57nortonmodel77

Stainless is not 3 times the price.
We all know you dont like stainless, most of us prefer the upgrade, much like the stainless fenders on most Commandos.
Its the owners choice to use what he likes.
I


Parts specially made in stainless might be more likely to be 3 times the price !?
Unless they are mass produced like Commando guards. (I rather like my 850s stainless guards)
I can buy studs and barrel nuts for dommie generators for 1/3 the price you charge for stainless versions. !!

I buy plenty of stainless, so don't talk nonsense.
But for its cosmetics, not so much for structural use.
Useful bits like stainless nylocs in cycle thread used to be really hard to find though (haven't checked lately),
and even simple stainless items are expensive - metric stainless bolts are only a few tens of cents each, cycle thread stainless bolts are pounds each !!!

P.S. One of the difficulties I have always found with stainless is that you don't seem to be able to go anywhere and just order a full set of stainless fasteners for say a Model 7 for example. I was connected with an enterprise that offered a full set of plated steel fasteners precisely for a Model 7, and this gave you every nut, bolt, washer, screw and special in exactly the same dimension and the same shapes as the originals. It was rather a hefty parcel of bolts !!
Where is that service in stainless ??

We diverge slightly from battery trays though...
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#705386 - 59 minutes ago Re: Stainless steel battery platform for Slimline [Re: Rohan]  
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Stainless steel wont rust, and is some cases is tougher depending on the alloys added. Despite mis-information, you can have stainless steel in many types & grades, even hardened. Molnar Manx is one of several suppliers I use. His is all high grade & they use the same parts on their racebikes, including axles. Never had one break as some suggest.

Price- not 3x the price for stainless comparing apples to apples . The barrel nuts you are referring to I buy at a fraction of what I sell them for, I pay 20% more for stainless versus plain steel cadmium plated, but need to add shipping from the UK to the USA, Paypal fees, ebay fees, postage fees, packaging, and a tiny profit considering the amount of time it takes me to produce the listing , order & maintain inventory, & shipping time. In the end, to truthfully compare stainless steel versus plain steel plated, the price difference on the nuts you mentioned is a 20% upgrade from stainless steel. Oh, by the way, I sell quite a few both in full sets & separatly, so there are those who see the value over the final cost.
I have my own metal lathe, Bridgeport milling machine, etc & buy all kinds of metal, including stainless steel. To make a blanket statement about stainless being 3x the cost is a mis-representation. It may be a bigger difference in the outback, but not where I live. Lets just agree that you are, uh....thrifty. That is fine, but some people are willing to pay more for an item that better suits their needs. Also, folks who are not retired, may not have a lot of extra time & would rather pay extra for something that saves them time, where you may have all day to sit & polish a rusty bolt. We all have a different situation, dont condemn someone else for their choices.

As an example, from Norvil's website you can see the prices in GBP for a SS rear axle, a 17% price upgrade for the better stainless steel axle, not 3x the price. Oh, and not a single Norvil stainless steel axle has been reported broken, so save the rant.

060289 SPINDLE - WHEEL - REAR - PRE MK3 - 18TPI 31.10
060289SS SPINDLE - WHEEL - REAR - PRE MK3 - 18TPI - POLISHED - STAINLESS STEEL 36.40

If one is looking for a highly corrosion resistant stainless, as mentioned, I would recommend 316, here are some specs on a sheet of .060" x 12" x 12":

Material 316 Stainless Steel
Cross Section Shape Rectangle
Construction Solid
Appearance Plain
Thickness 0.06"
Thickness Tolerance -0.006" to 0.006"
Tolerance Rating Standard
Width 12"
Width Tolerance -1/8" to 1/8"
Length 12"
Length Tolerance -1/8" to 1/8"
Yield Strength 30,000 psi
Fabrication Cold Worked, Heat Treated
Hardness Rockwell B95 (Medium)
Temper Rating Softened
Heat Treatable No
Minimum Temperature Not Rated
Maximum Temperature 1500° F
Specifications Met ASTM A240, MIL-S-5059
Flatness Tolerance Not Rated
Density 0.29 lbs./cu. in.
Surface Resistivity 449 ohm-cir. mil/ft.
Melting Point Temperature 2500° F
Modulus of Elasticity 28 ksi × 103
Thermal Conductivity 110 Btu/hr. × in./sq. ft./°F @ 212° F
Elongation 39%
Material Composition
Iron 58.23-73.61%
Carbon 0-0.08%
Chromium 16-18.5%
Copper 0-1%
Manganese 0-2%
Molybdenum 0-3%
Nickel 10-15%
Nitrogen 0-0.1%
Phosphorus 0-0.045%
Silicon 0-1%
Sulfur 0.35%
Titanium .7% Max.
RoHS Compliant
The addition of molybdenum gives 316 stainless steel excellent corrosion resistance. Use it in a variety of marine and chemical-processing applications. This material maintains its corrosion resistance in temperatures up to 1500° F.


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