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Cylinder pillar bolts torque setting #703753
08/03/17 1:12 am
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Hi guys, I'm new to the Britbike forum but have been lurking for a while.

I have a friend's T160 with the head off to replace a blown composite head gasket. I am aware that the pillar bolts can sometimes strip the threads in the rather soft alloy factory cylinder, thus allowing the head to lift and causing head gasket failure, but it appears that the pillar bolts are all tight in their threads. I know this engine was built very well and has survived 11 years until this gasket failure happened. However, I want to make sure that the pillar bolts are tightened to the correct torque so they don't undo when the head bolts come off at some stage in the future. I also don't want to over-tighten them.

I don't yet have a 7/16" socket bolt extractor to check the torque of the pillar bolts, but looking at the factory manual, I can't see any reference to torque settings for these pillar bolts. I see the figure of 18 lb/ft for the cylinder head bolts, but not the pillar bolts. Am I missing something? Can someone suggest a practical torque setting that works from their own engine-building experience with triples?

By the way, I have checked the cylinder head face and it is absolutely flat. And I will be using a copper head gasket.

Dave

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Re: Cylinder pillar bolts torque setting [Re: T120Wicklow] #703760
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The pillar bolts are not torqued. Just turn them in until the underside of the socket meets the cylinder. Torquing them will pre-stress the threads in addition to the head bolt load. Probably one reason the cylinder threads strip with the proper head torque.

Re: Cylinder pillar bolts torque setting [Re: T120Wicklow] #703761
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Be sure to anneal the copper gasket. JR

Re: Cylinder pillar bolts torque setting [Re: T120Wicklow] #703787
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OK guys, thank you for those wise words!

Re: Cylinder pillar bolts torque setting [Re: T120Wicklow] #703915
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I just do up tight/firm but not gorilla style. I also use Loctite, the green stuff Super strong and for heated area. Can get the number tomorrow if needed. Last time I used this stuff [on advice from a well respected Triple engine builder] I made up a paste of the green stuff and iron filings and used that. The idea is to lock them in permanently...never want them to move or come out. So far, so good!!!

Re: Cylinder pillar bolts torque setting [Re: tridentt150v] #704006
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tridentT150v - Ah, now that's interesting. Apologies for the late reply - I have been busy over the last few days and have only now read your post. Yes, if you could get the code, that would be very handy, thank you!

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Re: Cylinder pillar bolts torque setting [Re: T120Wicklow] #704011
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Number is 620.

Re: Cylinder pillar bolts torque setting [Re: tridentt150v] #704088
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Excellent, thank you T150v!



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