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Re: Replacing charging system. [Re: Les P] #691429
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Originally Posted by Les P
I placed an order last night but a reply (in the middle of the night here) from 'Rex is saying that is a three phase stator.
I have sent another email off, getting a single phase unit would make me somewhat annoyed to say the least.


No doubt you will be sent a three phase stator, but if he's saying the one in the RM24 ad. is a three phase then I think he's havin' a giraffe.

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Re: Replacing charging system. [Re: Les P] #691432
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Here's same picture from another supplier's website, only this time, it is what it is, an RM19 smile

http://www.chris-knight-mcs.co.uk/acatalog/Lucas-Stator---47204---RM19-236.html
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Genuine Lucas 3 wire stator - RM19 - 6volt with an 11.5 amp output. This top quality stator is made in England. The winding are encapsulated/encased. This stator is commonly used on 6v electrical systems to replace the stator in their alternator.



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Re: Replacing charging system. [Re: L.A.B.] #691455
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I'm sure 'she will send the right one, it seems like a very good deal so will most likely get another kit for the Mk2a.
Thanks for all the replies, updated when the bits arrive.

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Re: Replacing charging system. [Re: Les P] #694107
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Hay Les,

Any updates on the charging kit purchase? I'm keen to see what you think of the rotor. Need to make my rotor puirchase smile



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Re: Replacing charging system. [Re: BrizzoBrit] #694146
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Hi Ray
On the website my order status is still marked as 'Payed on the 12 / 4 / 2017 (getting close to a month)
I emailed them asking politely if it had been posted (last Tuesday or around three weeks after they received payment)
To date I have had no reply to that email, I am back at work as of last Friday so not due home for the best part of a month.

I had been hoping it would be there so I could decide on getting another kit.
Am in no hurry but they did seem somewhat put out me inquiring about the incorrect stator in the picture (of the kit)
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It looks like the USA got the win.
I ordered a bunch of parts for the Eldorado from MG Cycle one night, shipping information was in the inbox by the AM of the next morning and arrived while I was home on my break.
A Bosch electronic regulator off US eBay also arrived, both ordered after the Lucas bits and pieces.

I have to say Andover Norton and RK Leighton are always quick to respond and post smartly, Ace Classics also. < ( On the phone I did think I was in an episode of 'EastEnders )

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Re: Replacing charging system. [Re: Les P] #694196
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Thanks for the update Les. That's a pretty fancy looking regulator. Is the same as stock? Presume its for Eldorardo. Nice to know about your experience with UK vendors. Havent tried Ace Classics yet.

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Re: Replacing charging system. [Re: BrizzoBrit] #694254
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The stock Moto Guzzi regulator from that period (1973 in this case) was a mechanical Bosch unit, I will retain the Bosch generator and use this electronic version.
Am still deciding about a replacement wiring loom from the USA.

For the most part I have had a fairly good run with purchases.
Perhaps a list is in order............


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Re: Replacing charging system. [Re: NickL] #694387
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Thanks for the post Nick.
I would prefer to avoid any kind of electrical smoke.

This link from Greg Bender seems to say 300 watts for the Bosch generator.
That would appear to be 25 amps. (based on previous replies when I got the Kubota alternator)

http://www.thisoldtractor.com/moto_guzzi_loopframe_generator_alternative.html

The Volkswagen 113 903 803 looks to be this regulator as mentioned in the link.
Am I good to go or did I buy a Bosch paper weight. ?







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Re: Replacing charging system. [Re: Les P] #694650
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Hi Les,
I got a loom for my triumph from TMS of Nottingham and was very happy with it. However, having said that it hasn't been subjected to rigorous road testing.

Not sure who there supplier is, but here's a link to a thread where I make a goose of myself (again :crazy), but it has useful information.

http://www.britbike.com/forums/ubbt...;Main=69925&Number=659241#Post659241

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Re: Replacing charging system. [Re: BrizzoBrit] #694777
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I rang the UK last night to find the Lucas kit had not been posted near on a month after paying. (Since there was no reply to my email sent 8 days ago)
I now have tracking to say it is in the post, apparently there were no rotors in stock.

I am not concerned as there is no hurry based on my work commitments, (and thankful that any/many items are available off the shelf in a lot of cases, junk excepted of course) once this job is over I will look at working full time on the many projects that have fallen behind.

Ray, the wiring loom would be for the MG but thanks for the reply.
I have a new one for the 1971 Fastback from Andover Norton.

Nick, that does sound like I should have simply got another tin box mechanical Bosch regulator or serviced the one in the bike.
The problem with this bike is although a grand old machine I think if it had remained in the USA it would have been parted out due to the replacement parts needed. (Of the engine alone I have only retained the Block / Bare heads / Rocker covers / Crankshaft and camshaft sprockets along with a few sundry items )
Thanks for time taken for a detailed reply.
The plan had simply been to make as efficient as possible what was there while retaining the generator.




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Re: Replacing charging system. [Re: Les P] #694785
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I rang the UK last night to find the Lucas kit had not been posted near on a month after paying. (Since there was no reply to my email sent 8 days ago)I now have tracking to say it is in the post, apparently there were no rotors in stock.I am not concerned as there is no hurry based on my work commitments, (and thankful that any/many items are available off the shelf in a lot of cases, junk excepted of course) once this job is over I will look at working full time on the many projects that have fallen behind.

Well you might be a little bit Concerned , If you used your credit card ,
they will only protect your payment for a certain amount of time .
The laws may different on your Continent ,
but in the past ive let a few things slide , in favor of the sellers and then found it was to late
for my credit card company to go to bat for me , because I had let the timelines run out .

Re: Replacing charging system. [Re: quinten] #696749
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Hi Les,

Not sure how you got on with your kit. I know this is of little help to you now, but in case anyone was following for the purposes of rotor information. I hunted around UK vendors and found several that listed what I thought looked like LAP rotors as opposed to what looked to me like Lucas-embossed Wassell items. My shakedown was that a stamped in date and part# were the distinguishing features of an LAP item, as opposed to no date a a cast-in part # for the 'Wassell' items. I could be corrected on that. All vendors except one were 'out of stock' for the UK-made item. I ended buying the listed 'UK-made' item (74 quid) (as opposed the 'Lucas-boxed' one at 54 quid they also list) from Classic Bike Shop UK.

Turned up in less than a week. Looks like the real deal UK made item (includes a stamped in Made in England - for what that's worth). I wonder if LAP are continuing to make them or whether stock is just running down. This one was stamped 09/12.

See photo. Looks like shrinking the photo was not very successful. Click on the image to see a full-size image

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Re: Replacing charging system. [Re: quinten] #696750
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Hi Ray
A package arrived from the UK last week (iirc) so that must be it.
I will not be back on the east coast until Friday morning so will have a look when I get home and will hope it is of the quality they described it as.

Going by the picture on the Rex website it is not the same as you purchased.

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Good bye NSW, hello sunny QLD and triple car garage.
Any problems I have had buying motorcycle parts over the years pales compared to dealing with real estate agents and blood sucking solicitors.




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Re: Replacing charging system. [Re: Les P] #696753
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Welcome to the friendly state Les. smile


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Got home about an hour ago.
The Lucas parts look good so will get another kit.

I had picked up a set of later camshaft gears for my TR6 off eBay, looks like you can't win them all even with US$47 for post for a pinion, idler and the two cam gears.

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Up for sale is a very nice condition original set of 60's era Triumph unit 500 timing gears as well as both cam nuts. These were removed from a 1968 Triumph 500 but are the same they used for many similar years as well. Excellent parts. Every tooth of every gear has been cleaned and inspected and is near perfect. Don't miss out. These are a nice set. Buyer pays $8.00 shipping.


Looks like a better pinion is on the wanted list but that might mean a noisy set.
Its a sunny Winters day, have 11 days off so it could be worse.

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Thanks Ray
I will fly up next week to complete the sale (paper work)




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Re: Replacing charging system. [Re: NickL] #697581
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Nick I have a NOS 500 crank gear somewhere but thanks for the offer.
There was a nice complete set of T150 gears on eBay today and wonder if those can be used in a pre unit 650. (gone now for US$22)

I will post up some pictures of the Lucas parts from 'Rex's SpeedShop, they look to be of good quality.
Being honest their communication was very average, some parts (the rotor) were not in stock even though they took payment, I had to phone them in the end to see what was going on regarding the no delivery weeks after paying but in the end the parts arrived so am happy.
I am sure it was an isolated case and still think the price would be hard to beat.



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Originally Posted by NickL
They were 'select on test' items at the factory Les, i bought 2 sets of cam gears and 3 crank pinions to achieve a quiet set.
Give me a shout if you want to buy a set, i can't gaurentee they'll be quiet though.


I just got an email from the seller who was very apologetic, they are sending me another gear to replace that one, all is good in the world.

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Here are some pictures of the 3 phase Lucas kit from Rex's Speedshop in the UK.

http://www.rexs-speedshop.com/epage...tPath=/Shops/es143131/Products/ALT-SET-2

A link to the pictures as they are a little to big to post in this thread.
If you click on the first picture then click on the + button top of each pic they will go to full size and can be scrolled through. (Yes that free old Photobucket is a great thing)

http://s30.photobucket.com/user/manurewa/library/Lucas?sort=9&page=1

It will be a while before these parts are put to use but I am very happy with the purchase (You will be hard pressed to find a better deal ? ) and the parts look to be of good quality and appearance.
Are they 'real Lucas and Made in the UK, I hope so but there seems to be more Lucas's than you can shake a stick at these days.
The regulator is most likely from Asia.



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Re: Replacing charging system. [Re: Les P] #697822
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Hi Les,

Originally Posted by Les P
Are they 'real Lucas and Made in the UK,

'Fraid not. frown The "Made in the UK" parts don't have "Lucas" on 'em 'cos Wassell's trade-mark deal is exclusive. Also, all your pictures of labels show "WW"-prefixed part numbers - Wassell.

Hth.

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Originally Posted by Les P
Here are some pictures of the 3 phase Lucas kit from Rex's Speedshop in the UK.

http://www.rexs-speedshop.com/epage...tPath=/Shops/es143131/Products/ALT-SET-2


They must have noticed the photo error at last, as their "3-phase" kit now shows the correct stator.

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Well I guess I saved around $200 over buying the same parts locally. laughing

As long as they are not made out of recycled chop sticks it should be OK, I will check the fit of the rotor bore.
This thread by page 3 seems to have gone back to what was already posted on page 1, maybe I should stick to the mechanical side of things.
Thanks for all the great replies. :bigt



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