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Re: Looking to buy pre-1929 basket case [Re: Stuart] #691061
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Originally Posted by Stuart
Originally Posted by Magnetoman
in a 3-ring binder
I would've used a 4-ring
I wanted to use a 4-ring binder, but after a frustrating 15 minutes unsuccessfully trying to get the paper I had punched into it I finally gave up and used a 3-ring binder, where it inexplicably seems to fit. I can't figure out what the problem was. I hope my assembly of the bike goes more smoothly that this...

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Re: Looking to buy pre-1929 basket case [Re: Stuart] #691086
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I must be a 2 stroke person, I use 2 rings.

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Re: Looking to buy pre-1929 basket case [Re: Magnetoman] #691097
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With my "nom de plume" I obviously use a 3 ring binder!

Serious question---I have not started a new thread since the forum had its facelift.
I now want to start a new thread.
Can't see a button for New Thread.
Help please!

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Re: Looking to buy pre-1929 basket case [Re: Magnetoman] #691110
04/09/17 11:22 pm
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@trident man, click "thread options". Top LHS of the top post.

MM, the bike looks great, Looking forward to the engine rebuild, Ariels are very well engineered IME. Although Ive had no dealings with one of these models. My 52 KH was very well made. The Ariel group in Scotland is known as the Cuddy, ( Scots for horse, the Ariel emblem), they are good guys and have a wealth of fixes , Peter Barclay is a good man to get in touch with, I will see if I can get his contact details. Should you need any hard to come by stuff I am sure they will help if they can.
Heres a story I heard years ago. Supposedly Ariel went to great lengths to get cylinder stability, after casting the barrels they were left outside to "Settle" " for a few months before final machining, or so the story goes, cant remember the source (probably Peter).
I hope the Cannon ball thing goes well for you, Black Ariel, Black 2 piece leathers Black pudding basin lid with optional centre stripe, Mk 8 goggles, school woolen Jersey, waistcoat , white silk scarf, DR boots, "Magneto Man" top rocker on the back of the jacket, with a lightning flash logo centre.
In Scotland you would be known as "Chic the Black" , Chic pronounced chick, as a diminutive of Charles, only toffs are Charlies.
I reckon some of the trickier bits will be the cute old cup and cone wheel bearings, if it still has these, and they are worn they are tricky to get replacements for.Not a show stopper though. Looking forward to this MM, more power to yer elbow.


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Re: Looking to buy pre-1929 basket case [Re: Magnetoman] #691112
04/09/17 11:47 pm
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Gavin--many thanks.
I plead advancing years and increasing senility.
The only cure seems to be a triple on the megga at over 4500 rpm!

Re: Looking to buy pre-1929 basket case [Re: gavin eisler] #691122
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Originally Posted by gavin eisler
only toffs are Charlies.
Well, ahem, I did have dinner in the private dining room of the House of Lords three weeks ago...

Thanks very much for your supportive post. For a while I was feeling a bit dragooned into this, but after the Ariel surfaced that soon changed to guarded enthusiasm. Unearthing technical material for its shop manual cemented my relationship with it, and I'm even looking forward to covering ~4000 miles without benefit of suspension (that, no doubt, will change once the ride starts, if not sooner...).

Today I went through the manual from front to back, made a few organizational tweaks, and extracted technical data and maintenance information. I had photocopied the dozen 'General Data' pages of a BSA A65 shop manual and wrote the data on that so that I would know what I had (e.g. tappet clearances), and what important information is missing (e.g. con rod length, which I'll need to calculate piston position BTDC vs. crankshaft angle).

I also made the first draft of the necessary maintenance routine based on quantitative values when I found them in my manual (e.g. grease the rockers every 300-400 miles), supplemented by recommendations by Nicholson in his 'Modern Motorcycle Mechanics', and organized according to the expected ~250 miles/day mileage. If my rebuild returns it to as-new reliability (albeit, as-new 1928 reliability...) it should take less than an hour every evening to do all the maintenance tasks to keep that as-new reliability for the entire rally. The one exception to the one-hour/day is if it needs a top-end decoke, which would be done on the 'day of rest' at the halfway point of the rally. I'll have to bring the tools needed to do that if necessary (e.g. valve spring compressor), but will keep my fingers crossed that modern oil will burn cleaner than what they used to use.

As for cup-and-cone wheel bearings, unless there's something unexpected with the races pressed into the hubs, if it does have those I don't expect it will be too difficult to machine new axles and spacers to replace them with sealed ball bearings.

1928 500cc Ariel Model C [Re: Magnetoman] #691210
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Although it's probably futile, I posted a number of technical questions in the Ariel forum. If you know the answers to any of them, please post them in this thread or that one. Thanks!


p.s. I changed the title of the thread to better represent the current contents

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Re: 1928 500cc Ariel Model C [Re: Magnetoman] #692013
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Cheers, MM... looking forward to seeing you on the road. Our 28 BSA Sloper showed up Saturday, and so now the saga begins!


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Re: 1928 500cc Ariel Model C [Re: CafeTbird] #692018
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Originally Posted by CafeTbird
now the saga begins!
Indeed it does.

Congratulations on getting the Sloper. It looks and sounds great on the video. My Ariel got trapped in England by the long holiday weekend but it is coming by air so it shouldn't be much longer before it's here as well. Then my work begins in earnest.

September 2018 sounds like it's a long time from now but I expect both of us will be scrambling when the Start date approaches.

Re: 1928 500cc Ariel Model C [Re: Magnetoman] #692343
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Originally Posted by Magnetoman
My Ariel got trapped in England by the long holiday weekend but it is coming by air so it shouldn't be much longer before it's here as well.
I got word from the shipper this morning that the bike will leave England on Friday. I don't know the routing but I expect that means it will be here around the end of next week.

Re: 1928 500cc Ariel Model C [Re: Magnetoman] #692372
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Originally Posted by Magnetoman
Originally Posted by Magnetoman
My Ariel got trapped in England by the long holiday weekend but it is coming by air so it shouldn't be much longer before it's here as well.
I got word from the shipper this morning that the bike will leave England on Friday. I don't know the routing but I expect that means it will be here around the end of next week.

Hopefully not by Somalia and it gets hijacked by pirates grin .....I shipped a vintage truck from New York to the Netherlands...It sat waiting at the port of Newark NJ and then at a seaport in Holland for much longer than the sea voyage...Good luck on your bike bigt


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Re: 1928 500cc Ariel Model C [Re: Hillbilly bike] #692396
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Originally Posted by Hillbilly bike
Hopefully not by Somalia and it gets hijacked by pirates grin .....I shipped a vintage truck from New York to the Netherlands...It sat waiting at the port of Newark NJ and then at a seaport in Holland for much longer than the sea voyage.
Three stories come to mind:

One of my first manuscripts was delayed by a year because all of them from a conference had been sent to Israel for typesetting -- yes, it was that long ago -- and the plane was hijacked and burned in the desert after it landed so the publisher had to start over again.

Today it would result in a visit by Homeland Security agents, but 25 years ago I made bi-weekly phone calls to a shipping company to track the current location of the ship carrying a bike I bought from Italy as the ship made its way through a dozen ports in the Mediterranean, North Atlantic and Caribbean

I woke up today with an email that gave the, gulp, final cost of air freighting the bike. However, while I was still processing that information I opened the New York Times app on my iPhone which is set to show the 'Top Stories'. Waiting for me there was an article by a financial planner with the title "Sometimes, Spending Brings a Bigger Return than Savings." The article concludes "Because it's not just money you're going to need in the distant future. You're also going to need a lifetime of priceless memories and invaluable experiences to remind you what a great life you've lived." Well, it's not as if I don't already have a pretty good stock of priceless memories and invaluable experiences, but if that article wasn't a sign that the gods approve of this foolishness I don't know what is.


Re: 1928 500cc Ariel Model C [Re: Magnetoman] #694014
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For those who are interested, the Ariel is now at my house. I posted an update in the 'Ariel' forum, but I haven't decided yet what to do about future updates about the restoration.

Re: 1928 500cc Ariel Model C [Re: Magnetoman] #694032
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Not that my opinion counts for much but I would like to see it in the projects section. Whilst Brit bikes in general interest me I tend not to look at the model specific forums for anything other than bikes I own. Would hate to miss out.

Either way I wish you the best with the endeavour.

Rod


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Re: 1928 500cc Ariel Model C [Re: R Moulding] #694118
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Originally Posted by R Moulding
I would like to see it in the projects section.
I kept track of how long it took for me to resize the latest photo in my 'Ariel' thread, save it as a jpg, upload it to Photobucket, copy the URL, and insert it in that thread. It was the better part of 5 minutes. The thought of starting another image-heavy restoration thread where it takes that much of my time to do the work computers very easily could do for me is off-putting.

Morgan and I have been corresponding about photographs on BritBike. The issue is he's tied to the software on which this site is built, which was created before programmers realized digital photographs were going to take over the world and become such a key component of on-line communication. I know that programmers are working on this issue so my hope is they are able to patch together a solution, and that they do so soon.

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