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#668960 - 09/26/16 5:54 am Re: 1964 A65 Rocket instrument mountings [Re: Henry Greg]  
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Hello Horace, It is my belief that when BSA fitted chrono's to the A65 the older type of mounting comprising part numbers 11265-111 and triangular bracket 11242-9292 plus all the accompanying bolts/washers/nuts and spacers were used and the alloy caste plate was introduced along with the magnetic clocks. According to my 1964 parts book the correct clocks are :- speedo 19-2181 (SSM5001/03) and the tacho is either 19-2171 (RC1302/04) or 19-2178 ( RMS3003/02) Sorry, I dont know which is the chrono one.
I hope this is of some help,
Henry

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#668978 - 09/26/16 9:01 am Re: 1964 A65 Rocket instrument mountings [Re: Henry Greg]  
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Horace, your bike appears to have been modified by a previous owner. The bike has the "full-coverage" side cover which hides the carburetor, evidence that it also originally had a headlamp nacelle with the speedometer mounted within it. The bike would not have had a tachometer, but would have had the steering lock.

What are the frame numbers and engine numbers of this bike? The answers to your questions will become possible with that information.

#669006 - 09/26/16 1:18 pm Re: 1964 A65 Rocket instrument mountings [Re: Irish Swede]  
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If he has an A65 Rocket, the bike came with the large sidecovers and seperate headlamp. If the engine # starts A65C, then it came with dual clocks. If not A65C engine, then it was the same headlight housing but with the speedo in the housing.

His engine number will tell a lot. The clock mounting plate is definitely for a later A65.


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#669022 - 09/26/16 3:28 pm Re: 1964 A65 Rocket instrument mountings [Re: Rich B]  
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Horace, I agree with Rich B, the A65 with the nacelle was the Star model, not the Rocket. For 1964 & 1965 engine numbers with A65C are for a Rocket with tacho and A65B for one without.
Henry

#669054 - 09/26/16 6:49 pm Re: 1964 A65 Rocket instrument mountings [Re: Henry Greg]  
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I actually like BSA's description of the A65C engine code - Rocket with a rev counter. Leaves no doubt.

The export Thunderbolt Rocket used the same engine codes as the Rocket.


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#669092 - 09/27/16 4:58 am Re: 1964 A65 Rocket instrument mountings [Re: Rich B]  
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Horace, I gave you a wrong part number for the speedo yesterday, the part number I quoted was for one calibrated in MPH, you of course will require one calibrated in KPH. The 1964 parts book gives a part number of 19-2183 (SSM5001/04).
Also I can confirm that the large side panels were fitted to the Rocket ( mine has them too). They were probably replaced by the smaller ones when BSA changed from the full loop rear end frame to the open one around 1965.
Henry

#669114 - 09/27/16 10:29 am Re: 1964 A65 Rocket instrument mountings [Re: Henry Greg]  
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Like this I believe.




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#669123 - 09/27/16 12:06 pm Re: 1964 A65 Rocket instrument mountings [Re: M Shearer]  
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Yep, I believe that is right for a Rocket with a rev counter and chronometric clocks.

Though that bike doesn't have correct triple clamps. The bars are behind the stem. But still a nice bike.....

Is that yours? New bike we don't know about?

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#669225 - 09/28/16 3:14 am Re: 1964 A65 Rocket instrument mountings [Re: Henry Greg]  
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Hi Rich, Dont know whether the last post is for myself or the last poster. If its for me, my bike has the older style "dropped" top yoke with the clamps ahead of the stem and the steering lock built in. I have had the bike since before I joined the forum, pretty much six years now. Its a great bike and the last one of the three that I own ( 1961 Norton Model 50 /Yamaha Fazer S2)that I would part with. Its only major fault is that in jumps out of third gear at 3,500 rpm.( probably worn dogs). Beyond my mechanical skills to fix that so I just short shift in third gear. It has won six show awards including a best in show, but really, its for riding, not showing. I would post a picture but my computer skills are so limited I dont know how to do it.However, if you google:- Blackpool & District VMCC / gallery / Wrea Green Club Day 2015, my bike is one of the first pictures.
Henry

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#669231 - 09/28/16 3:56 am Re: 1964 A65 Rocket instrument mountings [Re: Rich B]  
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Originally Posted By Rich B
Yep, I believe that is right for a Rocket with a rev counter and chronometric clocks.

Though that bike doesn't have correct triple clamps. The bars are behind the stem. But still a nice bike.....

Is that yours? New bike we don't know about?


Not mine Rich. Just some pics I stole off the web a few years ago.


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#669232 - 09/28/16 3:58 am Re: 1964 A65 Rocket instrument mountings [Re: Henry Greg]  
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Originally Posted By Henry Greg
Hi Rich, Dont know whether the last post is for myself or the last poster. If its for me, my bike has the older style "dropped" top yoke with the clamps ahead of the stem and the steering lock built in. I have had the bike since before I joined the forum, pretty much six years now. Its a great bike and the last one of the three that I own ( 1961 Norton Model 50 /Yamaha Fazer S2)that I would part with. Its only major fault is that in jumps out of third gear at 3,500 rpm.( probably worn dogs). Beyond my mechanical skills to fix that so I just short shift in third gear. It has won six show awards including a best in show, but really, its for riding, not showing. I would post a picture but my computer skills are so limited I dont know how to do it.However, if you google:- Blackpool & District VMCC / gallery / Wrea Green Club Day 2015, my bike is one of the first pictures.
Henry


Henry it's for you if it's any help or anyone else who needs it.
I'll try and find your bike now.


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#669233 - 09/28/16 4:07 am Re: 1964 A65 Rocket instrument mountings [Re: Henry Greg]  
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Is this it headless Henry?


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#669259 - 09/28/16 9:35 am Re: 1964 A65 Rocket instrument mountings [Re: M Shearer]  
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Mark, Thanks for that, yes, thats the one, I bet you can fix gearboxes too! The headless one though isnt me, I was wearing a BSA t-shirt and I still have mine attached ( I think). Being headless though does seem to be a way of saving money on crash helmets.
Cheers, Henry

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#669313 - 09/28/16 5:47 pm Re: 1964 A65 Rocket instrument mountings [Re: Henry Greg]  
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Nice bike Henry. bigt


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#669334 - 09/28/16 7:13 pm Re: 1964 A65 Rocket instrument mountings [Re: Henry Greg]  
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Yea very nice Henry. Rockets and 64/65 dual carb bikes have become my favorite A65's.


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#669388 - 09/29/16 3:01 am Re: 1964 A65 Rocket instrument mountings [Re: Rich B]  
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Thanks Guys, I cant understand why A65's get such bad press ( from the uninitiated) they are great bikes. Mine was a bit of a shed when I bought it, but I love it now its ( almost) sorted.
Henry

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"I cant understand why A65's get such bad press "
A few reasons, the former 650 A10 was a lovely bike with beautiful proportions, a hard act to follow.
Reliability, the 4CA points system lead to terrible failures with phantom sparks.
Noise, an iron head A10 is mechanically quiet, the Alloy headed A65 isnt.
Looks, from some angles the egg motor is bland. I find the blobby side panels fitted to some early models very unappealing giving the whole machine the look of a fat darts player with skinny arms..


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#669448 - 09/29/16 1:05 pm Re: 1964 A65 Rocket instrument mountings [Re: Henry Greg]  
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Originally Posted By John Healy
BSA was paying $800.00 in warranty payments to dealers to get the bikes through the 3 month warranty.


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#671762 - 10/21/16 9:48 am Re: 1964 A65 Rocket instrument mountings [Re: Rich B]  
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Guys,

thank you for your helpful replies.

My engine code is actually A65C, and it has the siamese exhaust, plus chrome headlight ears, which should classify it as an A65R.

From the parts book I agree on SSM5001/04 for the speedo and RC.1302/04 for the rev counter, which are both magnetic ones.

As mounting plate the parts book states 14368-9140, which is - according to the drawing in the book - exactly the one I showed in the picture above, no hole for the lock. But how does the steering lock work then as this is sitting right underneath, with no hole in the mounting plate?

I am also desperately looking for the correct headlamp bucket, which seems to be unique for this model only (deep shell with 2 switches and amp), thus close to impossible to find :-(

#671818 - 10/21/16 8:02 pm Re: 1964 A65 Rocket instrument mountings [Re: HoraceWorblehat]  
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Any bike with the droop top yoke and dual clocks mounted on an alloy plate will have the hole in the plate for the lock. The lock is a special extended lock that fits into the hole. Good luck finding the special lock eek

The correct plate does show up on fleaBay US site. As does the 66 alloy plate which has the recess for the hole but is not machined through. Those can be modified to work.you also need 2 little spacers that go between the allow plate and the bar clamps. The bolts are special and IME, can be short lived, as they break. Maybe crap aftermarket parts too.

The headlamp bucket was also used by Matchless and Velocette. Your best bet is too look on US fleaBay and search British Only in the US as well as possibly Baxter. Be prepared to pay though......just sayin'

The 2 parts you need may be easier to find in the US due to the Lightning Rockets using the same pieces


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#672103 - 10/24/16 7:26 am Re: 1964 A65 Rocket instrument mountings [Re: Rich B]  
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Originally Posted By Rich B
Any bike with the droop top yoke and dual clocks mounted on an alloy plate will have the hole in the plate for the lock.


I do not think this is correct.

Again, looking at the parts book it shows the alloy plate with no hole for the lock. Does this mean there was no lock foreseen at all then?

#672105 - 10/24/16 7:39 am Re: 1964 A65 Rocket instrument mountings [Re: HoraceWorblehat]  
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If you look on UK E bay now there is a clock bracket with the hole and the cups, and also a top yoke with the long steering lock for sale. Sorry I can't post the linksat the moment. The BSA parts catalogues are not 100% reliable; I'm with Rich B on this, the early alloy plates fitted to the drop yoke all had the hole.


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#672110 - 10/24/16 8:18 am Re: 1964 A65 Rocket instrument mountings [Re: VicCyclone]  
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I had seen the mounting plate already, but not the yoke. thank you for the hint.

So I will go for the one with hole, as anything else does not seem to make sense. Good to know that I should not trust the parts book too much then.

#676636 - 12/05/16 8:37 pm Re: 1964 A65 Rocket instrument mountings [Re: HoraceWorblehat]  
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Horace,
While I don't know if this'll help you now, been away from this site for awhile....

I'm "working" on two '64-ish projects, and both have "droop top yokes", and MPH chronometric "grey faced" speedo's; SC3313/02 1260.

Sorry, I cannot supply part numbers...

I had one of those long headlamp buckets for one of these projects, but it seems to have "walked" away..... The other one has a cowled set-up. Not a nacell.

A friend of mine over there sourced a BSA part from "GLM British Motor Cycles"
Do you know them?

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