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'55 T110 restoration project #661880
07/26/16 1:21 pm
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A big thanks to the Hawaiian Tiger and Irish Swede (and others) that have helped in the past answer my questions. Itís a little difficult restoring one of these 50ís bikes properly without a local reference. The project is starting to come together, still working through proper alignment of the sheet metal prior to painting.

I decided to keep the Pie Crust front brake drum, I do have the correct one for that year, but since this bike was an extremely low í55 SN# (Sept 9 1954) it probably left the factory with a í54 drum. It adds a little more character to this bike.
I have several more questions: 1) on the center stand spring that is attached to the lower frame, it is what appears to be on a swivel bracket, 82-3618. Is this bracket in the correct location on the frame and should it move freely, (mine does).
2) Trying to get the decals sorted out, on the top of the oil tank, there are two decals. In an earlier post you mentioned that one in the picture was not correct, so I would like to verify if these are the correct ones.

3) patent sticker for back of nacelle, I have two, I believe the correct one is #1 in the photo, which is just the patent number inside the block, but would like to verify.
4) I was planning to put the air mixture lever on the right handlebar. I have seen this on some bikes mounted below the seat on the left side. Was there a standard practice for the í55 T110, or was this a personal preference thing? Again appreciate any comments.


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55 Matchless G80s
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Re: '55 T110 restoration project [Re: AZScott] #661889
07/26/16 2:39 pm
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Stellar Job!

I won't answer the sticker placement questions, but other things are pretty easy.

Your center stand link looks correct. They are meant to swivel.

My '55 came with the pie crust front brake drum , too, so I figure it was a carryover from '54 like many things were in those days.

I would work hard at getting the paint the correct color. I've had the opportunity to see several examples of the original paint and quite frankly, many folks get it all wrong. I've seen too large and too much metal flake in the paint, and very frequently too much blue.

The metallic content was much smaller than later paints. It was a subtle "sheen". In fact it was more like a pearl than a metallic.

When Dave Quinn was supplying paints(a long time ago) I used his Shell Blue, then after than I had paint matched to it and a wheel I kept around for that purpose. I don't know how many Shell Blue paint jobs I did, but it was quite a few. Lovely color.

This bike looks to become a great restoration as you are concerned about all the fiddly details. It's all in the details, after all.

Cheers,

Bill


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1974 Commando
1985 Honda Nighthawk 650
1957 Thunderbird/T110 "Flying Tiger"
Antique Fans: Loads of Emersons (Two six wingers) plus gyros and orbiters.
Re: '55 T110 restoration project [Re: AZScott] #661908
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Hawaiian Tiger thanks. On the paint I was going to try and match it, but then decided to get a quart from Don Hutinson. My sence of color stinks, and I wanted to get it correct. On the paint, would also like to know how far up the center strip on the rear fender goes. Does it stop just before the frames attach point to the fender where the regulator is, or go all the way? You didnít answer the question on the air mixture control location. Where was it located on your í55 ? I am hoping the Irish Swede will let me know about the decals. He seems to be an authority that really know that stuff.


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69 Triumph Bonneville
55 Matchless G80s
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Re: '55 T110 restoration project [Re: AZScott] #661915
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Sorry 'bout that. The choke lever position is on the left frame rail and it is painted black, not chrome. Not many folks get this correct....

I've gone to Don Hutchison many times for paint. These days, the cost of getting it out here is prohibitive, so I try to color match at my local paint shop if I can.

Here's a good example of Shell Blue.

'56 T110 tank

Bear in mind that lacquers age and sometimes change color, Shell Blue tending toward going a bit greenish as the lacquer goes yellow and tints the blue. And the color of your computer's screen plays into it as well as the camera that took the photo, etc.

This is a fender from Ace Classic's webpage.



Note the pinstripe is applied right in the crease of the center rib.

They have examples of painted fenders on their site showing exactly where the center stripe ends. Not the same fender but typical of how Triumph did it.

If the swede doesn't come through with the decal placement, I've got a pic of a NOS oil tank around here somewhere I can dig up.

Cheers,

Bill


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1974 Commando
1985 Honda Nighthawk 650
1957 Thunderbird/T110 "Flying Tiger"
Antique Fans: Loads of Emersons (Two six wingers) plus gyros and orbiters.
Re: '55 T110 restoration project [Re: AZScott] #661917
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Found the pic.



Restorers tend to do a more tidy job than the factory did. This is a duplex frame oil tank so the transfer may be different for yours.

Cheers,

Bill

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1974 Commando
1985 Honda Nighthawk 650
1957 Thunderbird/T110 "Flying Tiger"
Antique Fans: Loads of Emersons (Two six wingers) plus gyros and orbiters.
Re: '55 T110 restoration project [Re: AZScott] #661925
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"Swede" here. YES, that's where the decals are supposed to be placed.
Bill is correct: The factory got the decals on the tanks in the right area, but not always perfectly "straight."

Re: '55 T110 restoration project [Re: AZScott] #661932
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Irish Swede, on the Patent sticker on the back of the nacelle, am I correct, its #1 in the pictures above?


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Re: '55 T110 restoration project [Re: AZScott] #661959
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Yes, the correct decal for your bike is number 1.

The number 1 patent decal should measure 26mm in length.
This is the proper decal used from 1952-1966.

You are fortunate to be restoring a bike within that span of years.
The decal used on the first nacelle bikes, 1949-1951, measured 53mm long,
and is not currently available, to my knowledge.

Re: '55 T110 restoration project [Re: AZScott] #663550
08/10/16 11:38 pm
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The restoration is coming along and taking shape.

Have another question about the quick detach rear wheel. The wheel hub and drum fit together well, and I purchased a new sealing ring (white in photo) out of the UK.

Not sure how to install it. PN 37-1091 It fits tight to the gear teeth and is a rather dense foam rubber that is 3/16" thick. It seems like it would hold the drum and hub too far apart. I haven't tried to tighten the rear axel yet, perhaps it will compress way down. Any suggestions, or is that the way it needs to fit ?


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Re: '55 T110 restoration project [Re: AZScott] #663555
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Looks stunning. Great work.
Having a tight seal there is a good thing. Otherwise grease will sling out all over your bike. I don't really foresee a problem unless you just can't mount the wheel on the bike. Then you'd be looking at compressing the seal until it does somehow.
Most of these are worn and as far as I know, new hubs are not available, so we're stuck with getting a new drum and living with the clunk. I pack the splines full of heavy grease and use the seal you have to make a real tight seal so the grease doesn't come out. That minimizes the clunk to the point where you can ignore it.

Cheers

Bill


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1974 Commando
1985 Honda Nighthawk 650
1957 Thunderbird/T110 "Flying Tiger"
Antique Fans: Loads of Emersons (Two six wingers) plus gyros and orbiters.
Re: '55 T110 restoration project [Re: AZScott] #663572
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Hawaiian Tiger, thanks. This is my first quick detach hub, and it just seemed like it wouldnít go together correctly with the gasket that thick. Appreciate your comments and I believe now this must be the correct one but it needs to be compressed.


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Re: '55 T110 restoration project [Re: AZScott] #663643
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AZScott- The seal I received for my 57 QD hub was about 1/4" thick and didn't compress very much. I cut it in two and it seems to seal well on nos hub and sprocket.

Re: '55 T110 restoration project [Re: AZScott] #663674
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Bob, Thanks for the comments. Itís good to know that others have seen the same issue. I may have to trim mine as well, however for now I was able to (after Hawaiian Tigers suggestion) place mine in the rear axle stack and mount it in the swing arm. I am still doing fitup but it appears to be working well. I purchased mine from Hawkshaw in Liverpool England and appears to be the correct fit at this point. It was not overly expensive but shipping was more than the part it self (I hate that). All in all having worked on many rear axles, I really like the functional simplicity of the í55 Tiger QD rear axle. Thanks again for you comment.


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