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I'm Done! #657846
06/21/16 11:11 pm
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After 3 years and a little less than a week exactly, I'm finally ready to ride. Correction, went on my first full lap of the neighborhood!!!!!!!! I'm so excited I almost went on to the main road, decided a ticket for no plate/insurance wasn't worth it though. It revs so nicely, I only got into second gear but it felt good and smooth and starts on the first or second kick thanks to the Pazon ignition.

I need to set the idle up, and balance the carbs but the baby was sleeping so I couldn't rev it in the garage. Will also need to check the timing.

Only real thing that felt weird was the forks. They don't really rebound very well for being rebuilt, I'm pretty sure I did it right too. There is also a lot of brake dive which is no fun. Any thoughts or things to look at?

I am going to keep and eye out for new fenders with good chrome, correct shocks, order up some knock off mufflers but haven't decided on pea shooters or dunstall style (input welcome.) Also need the lightning decal for the tank, and I don't like the decals on the side covers either so I'll probably order more correct ones.

Heres some photos pre and post ride-





I'd like to thank everyone for all their help in this process, I'm sure I've asked some dumb or annoying questions so thanks for dealing with me and helping me along the way!!

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Re: I'm Done! [Re: redmosquito1] #657848
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sweet cant wait for mine to be done as well congrats

Re: I'm Done! [Re: redmosquito1] #657860
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Looks very good, about the forks, perhaps the yokes/triple trees are out of wack, its not unusual for the lower yoke to be bent if the bike has taken a front end knock.
A sure sign is having to "tweak " the front wheel into line before pinching up the yoke clamps, or stanchions that are difficult to enter the top yoke tapers, or top yoke centre nut is difficult to fit . Easy fix , drop the bent side fork leg out of the top yoke, then nip up in the bottom and use it as a lever to straighten the bottom yoke, They are surprisingly soft /easily trued.Best use an old stanchion for this but the forces are not that high.
Sometimes it just needs to be bounced with the yoke pinch bolts and wheel spindle loose to settle stuff into alignment, this is a good final fit to do any way.


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Re: I'm Done! [Re: gavin eisler] #657874
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Thought I heard it running...

Re: I'm Done! [Re: redmosquito1] #657887
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If you didn't do it already:

1) Check the air pressure in the front tire.
2) Take off the front fender, loosen the pinch bolts in the triple trees, stand with the front wheel between your legs, grab the handle bars and waggle (a bit more than a wiggle) the forks from side to side until it appears to that the wheel and handle bars are going straight. If all the bits are correct, that shouldn't take much.
3) Then with everything still loose, use your weight on the bars and make the forks go up and down several times.
4) Tighten everything up and see if the front end feels better. When you put the fender on, make sure its not binding or twisting anything out of line.
5) If none of this makes any difference, and you don't find that something is bent or has been improperly assembled, wait till you get new shocks. It is not unusual for a problem in the rear to feel like it comes from the front.
6) Good luck. Bike looks great. If you are not going to go stock on the mufflers, I would go for up swept cocktail shakers.

Ed from NJ

Re: I'm Done! [Re: redmosquito1] #657888
06/22/16 9:36 am
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When doing all of the above, tighten from BOTTOM to TOP, and continue compressing and wiggling in between sections of tightening.


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Re: I'm Done! [Re: redmosquito1] #657898
06/22/16 11:17 am
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Congrats! bigt
Finally got my cases back from the machinist. Time to do the crank-shim shuffle and get her back together.


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Re: I'm Done! [Re: redmosquito1] #657921
06/22/16 4:10 pm
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What are you using for fork oil? I've found 15w Belray fork oil to work just about right in my various Brit bikes.


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Re: I'm Done! [Re: redmosquito1] #657938
06/22/16 7:19 pm
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Gary- where about in MI are you located?

I'll loosen everything up tonight/tomorrow since it's gonna be a few days for the title paperwork to go through. I knew I shoulda squared that up a while ago.

I think I put 15w oil in actually. I have a bottle of leftover stuff laying around and I know I put 10w oil in my Harley so it has to be in the BSA.

Re: I'm Done! [Re: redmosquito1] #657958
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Red, lovely! My '67 looked like that once (sigh). I admire your tenacity in sticking with the Monoblocs; they perform nicely if you can get them sorted.

Assuming everything else is ok with the forks: I find I need 20W fork oil in mine.


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Re: I'm Done! [Re: redmosquito1] #657959
06/22/16 11:37 pm
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I just bought stock replica shocks from The Bonneville Shop for what I thought was a very reasonable price. The finish is excellent, and they perform at least as well as the originals.

Whether those side panel decals are the most attractive is a matter of opinion, but they ARE correct for a US '67.


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Re: I'm Done! [Re: redmosquito1] #657961
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I haven't settled on the monoblocs, I just had 2 sets of them so its what I'm running. I'm certainly not tied down to them and if I can't get them sorted then I'll probably get some of the new amals. I settled on a reverse cone muffler because I really like that look, but upturned cocktail shakers were almost bought because those are sweet!

I've been looking at those very shocks, a lot of people sell them but I've just had other things I've needed before them. Might order them on payday though.

Played with the front end just now and after loosening everything up, tweaking the bars with the wheel between my legs and tightening bottom up it seems less sticky and a touch stiffer. We'll see how it performs once I get a plate on it.

The side panel logo itself doesn't bother me, just the one I have. The originals don't have the white outline and that looks better to me. But for now it'll work.

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Originally Posted By redmosquito1
Gary- where about in MI are you located?

I'll loosen everything up tonight/tomorrow since it's gonna be a few days for the title paperwork to go through. I knew I shoulda squared that up a while ago.

I think I put 15w oil in actually. I have a bottle of leftover stuff laying around and I know I put 10w oil in my Harley so it has to be in the BSA.
South of Detroit in Lincoln Park.

Re: I'm Done! [Re: redmosquito1] #658031
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Congratulations Red, looking good!

Re: I'm Done! [Re: redmosquito1] #658083
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Awesome. Good work.

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Re: I'm Done! [Re: redmosquito1] #658265
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Went fo first legal ride last night and had some issues. First destroyed my rear tire with the bump in of the fender for the battery clearance, I forgot to measure that clearance and it's a half inch skinnier for some reason and wore a nice groove into the tire. 3 miles on the tire too.

Next, the motor was getting pretty hot to the touch. I didn't get a chance to take a reading but it stalled on me, thankfully cause that's when I saw the tire. After it cooled down it started first kick again, not sure if the timing is off or if im running lean. I have the knock off dunstal reverse cone mufflers but I also have short velocity stacks so the jetting might be off.

I moved the needle so the clip is in the 5th notch to see if it runs real lean or not, but I never got into full throttle so I don't know if the main jet is to small or not. Tomorrow I'll do some messing with it to see what's up, can't ride until the new Avon road rider shows up, no one in my area had one in stock so had to order it.

It's also dripping oil from around the chain area, I put type f atf into the primary so it's not the chain oiler. Read it could be from the cam vent thing which require splitting of the cases to fix, so not happening soon. Still full of oil so I'll monitor it and see how much I'm really loosing. Looks to be just a drip.

After loosening the forks and tightening bottom up and bouncing they are much much better.

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I wouldn't worry too much about the drip from the chain area. I have my chain oiler blocked off and breathing through the primary and I still get a small drip from there.


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Re: I'm Done! [Re: redmosquito1] #658278
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David I think it's engine oil. It's wet pretty far up and it isn't red like the atf I put in the primary. I'm not gonna worry to much as it's just a few drips, just slide some cardboard under it after rides. I'll keep an eye on oil level to monitor how fast I lose oil.

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Top up oil immediately AFTER a ride, if you top up before a ride, theres a chance some extra oil will be in the sump , this gets coughed out the breather.
Engines get hot,its a function of burning fuel under compression.for me hot to the touch is 55 C , round the head I have measured around 190 C , how hot exactly?. After a long ride my gearbox housing gets to the high 40s C.
The timing is a must check, not sure wont wash.


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Went for a ride tonight for about an hour. My right boot and shifter were oiled up nicely when I got home. Oil temp when I got home were 185F/85C, head temp was 267F/130C. carb temp was 155F/68C using my fluke temp probe. I guess thats normal.

Checked the timing, it was on the mark while rev'ed to about 4500 according to my tach. I'm pretty sure my tach is off though as I was having trouble with it idling while in gear at a stop light, kept stalling. I raised the idle to 1500-2000 and it solved the problem.

It bogs down at mid throttle doing about 45 in 3rd gear, I have a feeling its because I raised the needle jet to the last notch since I thought it was running lean. Its also smoking out of the right cylinder, not sure if its burning oil or if its running super rich. I'll raise the needle to stock 3rd position and see if that fixes that. I'd hate to have to redo the cylinders, they're already +.040 and I don't know if going bigger is even an option. Which means sleeve the cylinders I have or new cylinders with new pistons either way. Expensive.

I'm going to pull the plugs in a few and see what they look like, hopefully I won't find a bunch of oil.

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Have you cleaned the pilot jets with a #78 drill? That may fix the idle/ stalling.
Oil from the shifter suggests an overfull gearbox, is it weeping along the shifter shaft?
Idling in gear at stoplight , is called "riding the clutch" its not big or clever, it is considered malpractice, this is what neutral is for. if your clutch is dragging at all you will have "issues".
Best practice is to select neutral from 2nd as you slow down, a draggy clutch makes selecting neutral at standstill a serious challenge. With a fresh rebuild it is common for the clutch stack to settle down fairly quickly in the first hundred or so miles, this uses up the clutch push rod clearance, check this ASAP.


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Sitting the first 10 miles I had to adjust the clutch cable so I plan to check the pushrod adjustment soon.

The oil wasn't coming from the shifter it just blew onto the shifter rubber. The plugs were black so I assume I'm running rich so the needle will get moved back. I'm pretty sure the majority of the leak was from the sump plate now. It's dry above it but soaked everywhere going back, I cut my own gasket from the rubberized paper gasket material so it must have leaked. I have a gasket I got as part of my gasket set so I'll put some the blue gasket sealer on and see if that stops that leak. I'm still using the stock plate so I might need to order a new alloy one, doesn't seem to be wet sumping as it only dumped a few ounces when I pulled the cover.

I've never heard riding the clutch at lights was bad, I have done it on all my bikes for fear of someone rear ending me. In gear I can accelerate out of the way, or I should say I hope my reaction time is fast enough to move out of the way. But those are/were modern bikes so I'll try to avoid it on this one.


As far as the pilot jet goes, the jets themselves are brand new but I didn't drill anything in the carb body itself. They got soaked in carb cleaner for a while though, but I have read that's not good enough. I'll pick up a #78 drill and clean it out I guess

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In the UK driving test "riding the clutch " is a fail, if the clutch cable snaps you lurch into the traffic, potentially deadly. When the clutch is held in for long periods the end of the push rod suffers, any slight drag turns into heat , causing swelling and more drag , its a self fulfilling prophecy. You may get away with this for years on some machines but Brit clutches do not respond well to riding abuse.You need to lose your fear of rear ending.
The aftermarket sump plate kits are an excellent addition, the ability to drain the sump without removing the plate is a boon, you will use this feature after a long lay up , they nearly all wet sump to one degree or another..

If there is any muck in the fuel system at all the smallest hole blocks first, thats the pilot jet, its such a simple fix with the correct ( very cheap) tool that this is also a "no brainer " as a first check when having carb issues.
I see you have Monobloc carbs, these have two owner assembly potential faults, the original monos should NOT have a fibre washer fitted under the fuel inlet banjo stud coupling union, this messes with the float heights, the new repros do have this. When assembling the float on the spindle there should be a small distance piece collar that fits over the float pivot spindle after installing the float, this gets lost easily, without it the float will not operate correctly.

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Good point Gavin. I'll work on doing it this way cause that actually makes more sense. I will order up a sump with a drain, I've been meaning to do it but keep forgetting as other things pop up.

As for the carbs, originally on assembly I had the washer under the needle seat thing and was having issues with fuel spill. With the help of various searches and this forum got that sorted so good there. And I def have the spacer in place, I have a good fuel level in the bowls. but I will clean out the pilot jet this weekend

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I was always taught to put the bike in neutral when at a stoplight and felt it made sense on the old bikes I rode around on. Recently, however, my daughter took the Motorcycle Safety Foundation Course and was specifically taught to hold the clutch in at stoplights. I asked the instructor about it and he said that on modern bikes there is much less of a chance of the cable breaking, they have stout enough throwout bearings, and it is safer.
I recognize all those points, but I still put it in neutral.

Ed from NJ

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