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Unusual engine number stamping. #646379
03/29/16 8:13 pm
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I haven't seen engine numbers stamped like this before. DBD.GS.34.3584?
New kid on the job? They look authentic although a bit wonky on the DBD.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BSA-Goldstar-/27...em=272185282902


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Re: Unusual engine number stamping. [Re: M Shearer] #646400
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That's a pretty good looking bike, love it.

Seeing them usually at this point in history as 'So Shiny..So Chrome!' it's good to see a true original Before picture....which may or may not be in this one's future, who knows.

The only really funky thing is the swing arm that has been, well Bodged ..(not me, I wasn't the one who done it!) with the axle openings hacked open and the arm extended i think, and the missing bits to make it look like all the other restored trailer queens.

"Not that there's anything wrong with that!"

and waaay better than a hundred eBay parts sale by far...or a 'Cafe'...'not that etc...'

The number looks pretty original of course, no tricky polishing and grinding....but maybe at some point a replacement engine case, since it was perhaps actually raced.

Thanks for posting it!..I got my bid in!...but, well...

Re: Unusual engine number stamping. [Re: M Shearer] #646408
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It looks to have had a pretty hard life so who knows what might have been done to it. Replacement cases are always a possibility.
Still at that price I would have it. Be interesting to see what the final price is.


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Re: Unusual engine number stamping. [Re: M Shearer] #646478
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Up to $7000 now...

Here is a similar number with the dots on a Phil Pearson 600cc...it doesn't say they were Pearson cast cases or not, I presume they were.


Very nice detail photos of this one, worth looking at...heh.

http://www.vinandvet.eu/Motorbikes/111/57/BSA-600cc-DBD34-replica/

Re: Unusual engine number stamping. [Re: M Shearer] #646484
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But have you ever seen the GS & 34 in reverse order before?
Could it be a Monday morning mistake at the factory?


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Re: Unusual engine number stamping. [Re: bsahatch] #646485
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haha, ah geez, I was so distracted by the sagging D and the dots and the numbers pushing up the barrel surface I just rationalized the 34/GS, thanks. It takes a village to help the village idiots I suppose.. cool

Re: Unusual engine number stamping. [Re: M Shearer] #646528
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There are more Goldies registered in England than B.S.A. ever produced. A friday afternoon job, who knows.
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Re: Unusual engine number stamping. [Re: John Alexander] #646533
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Originally Posted By John Alexander
There are more Goldies registered in England than B.S.A. ever produced.
I've seen that written before, but what is it based on? Presumably the motor vehicle department's records aren't open to the public. If an inside employee ran a search, was it for all CB32 frames coupled with engine numbers with 'GS' as part of them? Such a search wouldn't be trivial since the engine number field is a complicated one, with the 'GS' embedded in the middle. And, yes, it would miss everything prior to BB. If model names are included in the records a simple search of "Gold Star" would turn up additional ones other than actual Gold Stars.

Since TT Bonnevilles were small in number out of a very large production of T120s it's easy to believe more of them might exist than ever were made. But, a lot more Gold Stars were made than TT Bonnevilles, and it takes a lot more work to "create" one out of a different model.

Is this an urban legend?

Re: Unusual engine number stamping. [Re: M Shearer] #646540
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Presumably the motor vehicle department's records aren't open to the public.



The info is available but fraught with errors, here is the details for 750 Commandos

https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/norton_commando_750


which suggest 210 ish are registered in the UK and taxed plus some 90 ish off road. These figures are way too low just going by NOC membership of 4300 and over 50% having Commandos.

The BSA one is even worse

https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=bsa+

So odds are on it being Urban myth.

Re: Unusual engine number stamping. [Re: Magnetoman] #646571
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I always took that claim as exaggeration for effect, something like the story of there only being 1632 of the original 1194 Triumph Hurricanes left.

Re: Unusual engine number stamping. [Re: Shane in Oz] #646572
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Originally Posted By Shane in Oz
I always took that claim as exaggeration for effect,
Whether urban legend or exaggeration for effect, it is true that already some years ago prices had risen enough to spawn a cottage industry of creating fakes. One can't be too careful.

Re: Unusual engine number stamping. [Re: M Shearer] #646580
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Sold at $9022.
How'd you go Bodger?


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Re: Unusual engine number stamping. [Re: M Shearer] #646593
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Originally Posted By M Shearer
Sold at $9022.
Since I own a DBD, I think that's great. However, if I were looking to buy one, my heart would sink.

Actually, it seems to be a fair price, in that spending another $11k on rebuilding the engine and gearbox, buying a tach, tach drive, speedo, fuel tank, shocks, seat, ..., plus 1000+ hours of owner's labor at no charge, someone could have a bike worth somewhat more than $20k.

Re: Unusual engine number stamping. [Re: M Shearer] #646616
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M.M what do you make of the engine number stamping?
I think I will neeed to win the lottery if I am ever town a DBD nowadays.
Lots of other little bits and pieces missing off this bike also.


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Re: Unusual engine number stamping. [Re: M Shearer] #646619
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Originally Posted By M Shearer
M.M what do you make of the engine number stamping?
It's not my money at risk, but the numbers look legitimate to me. My best guess is it was a simple mistake made at the factory rather than a screw-up by someone who managed to get stamps with the correct font.

Re: Unusual engine number stamping. [Re: M Shearer] #646655
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Sold at $9022.
How'd you go Bodger?


aw geez, I lost again mad

I tried to snipe in there with $39.95 at the last but the dangnabbit ebil NSA wouldn't let me bid!!! or maybe it was Bill Gates...or Somebody!!!

Maybe next time...

$9022?!?!...Yipe!!!...

(honey you know those old casting you keep trying to drop into the recycling bin?...well...DONT!!!)

And that was for the Basic Kit at 9000..hmmm.

Re: Unusual engine number stamping. [Re: M Shearer] #646678
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Seemed like a lot of money to me. It was just up the road from me, but I thought it better not to be tempted.

I must say I wouldn't be tempted at that price .... !

Lannis


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Re: Unusual engine number stamping. [Re: M Shearer] #646716
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The bsa gold star owners club machine register has all the despatch dates from B.S.A of frames and engine numbers and who they were despatched to until production stopped.Unless Any number th the history of the machine can be verified, you may find that there are duplicated frame and engine numbers. The Gold Star owners club advise any one buying a Gold Star to check with the club for authenticity as manygoldies have been bought as genuine and later to discover that they are fakes. B31 and B33 crankcases and frames a case in point. At a classic bike show a Gold Star on display had the same engine and frame number as his Gold Star which he had recently bought and after paying a top price found his bike was a fake. Any number stamping which differs to normal,also gearbox stamping should be viewed with caution.
Goldie John.

Re: Unusual engine number stamping. [Re: John Alexander] #647012
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Originally Posted By John Alexander
The bsa gold star owners club machine register has all the despatch dates from B.S.A of frames and engine numbers and who they were despatched to until production stopped.Unless Any number th the history of the machine can be verified, you may find that there are duplicated frame and engine numbers. The Gold Star owners club advise any one buying a Gold Star to check with the club for authenticity as manygoldies have been bought as genuine and later to discover that they are fakes. B31 and B33 crankcases and frames a case in point. At a classic bike show a Gold Star on display had the same engine and frame number as his Gold Star which he had recently bought and after paying a top price found his bike was a fake. Any number stamping which differs to normal,also gearbox stamping should be viewed with caution.
Goldie John.




They don't have all the records. The dispatch records for the competition machines were lost and have not been recovered. Some competition machines are on the regular records but with no other information like the engine brake results.


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Re: Unusual engine number stamping. [Re: Lannis] #647185
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Originally Posted By Lannis
Seemed like a lot of money to me. It was just up the road from me, but I thought it better not to be tempted.

I must say I wouldn't be tempted at that price .... !

Lannis


In ten years time we will probably be saying. "Gee they were cheap back then. I wish I could buy one now at that price" eek
Hahaha!


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Re: Unusual engine number stamping. [Re: M Shearer] #647189
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Originally Posted By M Shearer
In ten years time we will probably be saying. "Gee they were cheap back then. I wish I could buy one now at that price"
Or, in ten years we could be saying "Gee, I'm glad I didn't buy one, because prices tanked just like they did c1990 for Model Ts when the last of the people who knew them from their youth were hauled off to the Old Folks Home."

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Seller said " last buyer was a scam " ... no reserve
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Re: Unusual engine number stamping. [Re: Magnetoman] #647673
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Originally Posted By Magnetoman
Originally Posted By M Shearer
In ten years time we will probably be saying. "Gee they were cheap back then. I wish I could buy one now at that price"
Or, in ten years we could be saying "Gee, I'm glad I didn't buy one, because prices tanked just like they did c1990 for Model Ts when the last of the people who knew them from their youth were hauled off to the Old Folks Home."


Time will tell I guess MM. Nice to have a crystal ball.

Interesting that it has been relisted. Why wouldn't he just offer it to the next highest bidder if he had a problem with the winner.


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Re: Unusual engine number stamping. [Re: M Shearer] #647692
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Interesting that it has been relisted. Why wouldn't he just offer it to the next highest bidder if he had a problem with the winner.

Maybe he did .

... But who wants a 'second chance offer'
At a bid price established
by the high bidder who can't or won't pay ?

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