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Re: 1966 Triumph Bonneville T120R restoration [Re: Swan] #631528
12/24/15 5:44 pm
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Thanks all. I am working in the shop as we speak. My hardware has been cad plated and en route back from Colorado Platers so I am doing what I can until it arrives, such as pressing new bearings in to the hubs, finishing the oil tank and side cover, and prepping the gas tank. I am going with Pacific Blue, Alaskan White and Gold pinstripe paint, my favorite Triumph color scheme. The stainless steel fenders will be repaired in an English wheel, and polished. Onwards....


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Re: 1966 Triumph Bonneville T120R restoration [Re: Swan] #631539
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It's looking great, Swan, and you are flying along with it.

If it isn't too late, I'd pop a side cover off each of those new sealed bearings and pack them to your satisfaction. As thorough as you are, you probably already did this. Just sayin' . . . I've seen some where they could have been packed better before the seal went on.

Ray


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Re: 1966 Triumph Bonneville T120R restoration [Re: Swan] #632407
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Hot off the truck (well cold actually, Minnesota, it's winter...), my freshly cadmium plated hardware! I can start going clockwise on Friday. The final parts are trickling in and when I get a window of time, this bike will come together rather quickly.


Ray, I bought quality Japanese Nachi wheel bearings so I should be good to go.


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Re: 1966 Triumph Bonneville T120R restoration [Re: Swan] #634557
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As much I was want to start going clockwise, I am still waiting on a few things. I called Walrige to check on an order placed over a month ago. They sent my spoke kits and front rim, but never received another of my online orders for a bunch of other parts, so I reordered. I would like to have everything at hand before I can build a rolling chassis. In the interim, I sorted the hardware, and prepped the tank for paint. Skip from Apparatus MC installed new valve guides and new seats, valves and springs arrived from Kibblewhite so he will finish my head soon.

For me, motorcycles are not investments and should be ridden, hard and often. But given the amount of time and money I put in to my bikes I am curious to see what they are selling for. There was a Mecum auction in Las Vegas this weekend with six 1966 Triumph T120R Bonnevilles and and two TT's models. Five of the six Bonnevilles sold for and average price of $11,150. My project should come in under half that amount for parts, machine, work, plating and vapor blasting, but I am not calculating my labor which will be around 200 hours when I'm done. Mind you, much of that time is researching and sourcing the cheapest parts and a fair amount of time drinking beer and staring at my bike, processing and thinking. This is a fun hobby and would not like to do this for a living.

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Re: 1966 Triumph Bonneville T120R restoration [Re: Swan] #634583
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Swan, I'm enjoying following your restoration. Lots better than those "reality" TV shows.

Do you have a link to the complete results of that Las Vegas auction?

Thanks, Steve


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Re: 1966 Triumph Bonneville T120R restoration [Re: Swan] #634591
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Originally Posted By Swan
Hot off the truck (well cold actually, Minnesota, it's winter...), my freshly cadmium plated hardware! I can start going clockwise on Friday. The final parts are trickling in and when I get a window of time, this bike will come together rather quickly.


Ray, I bought quality Japanese Nachi wheel bearings so I should be good to go.


It would be interesting to know how they plate all these tiny bits without there being "bare spots" where they are touching each other at some point .... ?

Are they all completely plated when you get them back or are there little "contact points"? I've never had anything cad-plated ....

Lannis


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Re: 1966 Triumph Bonneville T120R restoration [Re: Swan] #634616
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Sboyd, go to www.mecum.com, sign up and you can view auction results, and conduct searches for particular motorcycles from all their auctions.

Lannis, I believe they "barrel plate" hardware. It is loading in to an enclosed barrel and rotating while in the plating solution. The tumbling action ensures all surfaces are plated equally. I did not have any areas that were not plated, but this time there were some spots from the solution which wiped off. Normally everything comes back shiny and clean.

Last edited by Swan; 07/11/16 10:42 am.

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Re: 1966 Triumph Bonneville T120R restoration [Re: Swan] #636073
01/20/16 3:57 pm
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A quick update: more of the final parts orders arrived from Walridge Motors and elsewhere. I now have both front and rear CWC rims and spoke kits so I can lace and true the rims, mount tubes and tires and turn my pile of parts in to a rolling chassis this weekend. Also, my Minnesota title just arrived so I am the legal owner, free and clear. Onwards and upwards…


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Re: 1966 Triumph Bonneville T120R restoration [Re: Swan] #637174
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3 steps forward, two steps back… After two days in the shop I have the wheels laced and trued and am doing the final alignment of the center of the rims. It is is a long, slow and tedious process to get the center of the rims perfectly offset and aligned to one another, but worth the effort. I trued both rims to .004" radial and axial runout. The front fork seals and fork sliders took a couple of hours to clean and chase the threads because there was old paint, thread sealer?, teflon? crud and the seal holders would not go on easily until perfectly clean. I should be able to mount the tires, rebuild front and rear brake drums, and have a rolling chassis by Friday. Skip bored and honed my freshly painted cylinder barrel and I can start on the motor next week. The days are getting longer and looking forward to the first ride this spring. Onwards...

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Re: 1966 Triumph Bonneville T120R restoration [Re: Swan] #637206
01/26/16 5:01 pm
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I thought this picture look familiar, then I remembered the Goldie looking similar at this stage.

It certainly appears that you tackle a restoration as if you were following an order. That's nice and it could be why your restorations always look really good!

Mine work off. Rolling budget usually, ( unless I am fortunate to buy everything outright first, like when I did my 400/4) so when I get a part or component, mudguard/engine/ etc I will fit it providing I don't have to remove it again


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Re: 1966 Triumph Bonneville T120R restoration [Re: Swan] #637207
01/26/16 5:07 pm
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The process does look familiar, except without Jimi Hendrix and the fire in the hole this time. What surprises me is that the bike shows up so clearly in this picture. He's moving so fast that you would expect it to be nothing but a blur.

Ray


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Re: 1966 Triumph Bonneville T120R restoration [Re: Swan] #637295
01/27/16 11:19 am
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Thanks Allan and TR6. This bike is starting to come together. Allan I have done 5 CB400F's.

They grow up so quickly… I had a productive evening in Skip’s shop last night and finished aligning the rim centers, mounted new tubes and tires, assembled the brake hubs and now have a roller! Skip finished a perfect hone on my cylinder and the ring gaps were dead on. I have a little bit of time this evening to mount the centre stand, bars, brake stay, fender stays, and more. More good news, AMAL/Burlen emailed me this morning to say the Monobloc carb set I need was back in stock so I ordered them. The carbs the final piece in the puzzle so the bike should come together fairly quickly (when I can eek out some free time).




Rubber meets the road, err, the shop floor


Skip, master at work, honing freshly bored cylinders.


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Re: 1966 Triumph Bonneville T120R restoration [Re: Swan] #637303
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Did Triumph ever do a Lightning wink , because this is a lightning restore with no shortcuts.

Re: 1966 Triumph Bonneville T120R restoration [Re: Swan] #638237
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With very little free time this week. I managed to place the decals, clear coat, sand, polish and wax the oil tank. It looks much better than when I started:



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Re: 1966 Triumph Bonneville T120R restoration [Re: Swan] #638265
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Holy guacamole, batman!

Wow, that's nice. Ultra nice.

Black doesn't get any blacker than that, right there.

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Re: 1966 Triumph Bonneville T120R restoration [Re: GrandPaul] #641816
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Go Swan...really good stuff!


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Re: 1966 Triumph Bonneville T120R restoration [Re: Swan] #641825
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I dig the wheel alignment method.


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Re: 1966 Triumph Bonneville T120R restoration [Re: Swan] #642056
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Amazing. Great to read the posts and see the progress. This bike is gonna be a real beauty.
Nice work, Swan.


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Re: 1966 Triumph Bonneville T120R restoration [Re: Swan] #643076
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Thanks all! A quick update, I have made intermittent progress in the last 2 weeks. Although it does not look like much, it took many hours. The fenders were repaired in the English wheel, sanded, polished, and mounted. The tail light and seat were installed and I started on the oil tank I bought off E-bay only to realize it did not have mounted tags as my original chrome oil tank has, so I fabricated two tabs and had Skip weld them. I cleaned the interior of oil tank a few more times, fogged it with oil and then mounted it. We also welded up the crack on the side cover and I will finish prepping and painting it this week.




I started on the wiring yesterday and finished all the wiring, soldering new bullet ends, etc in the headlamp assembly. I still need to research and decide how I want to wire a kill switch. There is a lot of confusion on the kill button for this bike and I am not sure which to use.




I should be able to finish the wiring, mount the new Podtronics regulator and Boyer ignition this week and then hound Skip to finish cutting my new valve seats so I can build the motor. Spring is here and I should be able to get out on the Gold Star for the first ride of the year! Soon I will be riding this bike too.

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Re: 1966 Triumph Bonneville T120R restoration [Re: Swan] #644389
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I eeked out a few hours of free time this week and continued to go clockwise.
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Heated in the shop oven

Bearings in the freezer

Here we go…

Clean and reground crankshaft, new sludge trap and cap

Machined con rods, new small bushes, new shell bearings, and con rod nuts.





The lower end is in the frame, timing side is done, and I’ll try to find the time to install the gearbox, primary components, pistons and barrel this week. Skip will machine my head’s valve seats this week too, so the motor can be finished soon. Onwards…


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Re: 1966 Triumph Bonneville T120R restoration [Re: Swan] #645057
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more clockwise.


Skip removing the old valve seats. In with the new!


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Re: 1966 Triumph Bonneville T120R restoration [Re: Swan] #645097
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Great progress and great attention to detail mate. You will be tearing down the road before you know it!


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Grant
Re: 1966 Triumph Bonneville T120R restoration [Re: Swan] #645116
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This is going to be one of the nicest and most rideable bikes ever, I can already see it .....

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Re: 1966 Triumph Bonneville T120R restoration [Re: Swan] #645158
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Regarding the kill switch. You can use a short to earth method by attaching a wire to the yellow and black trigger wire, run it to the handlebars and push to earth Button.

It's good because your not building up extra resistance in the feed side of the circuit and it doesn't harm the Boyer or overload anything.


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Re: 1966 Triumph Bonneville T120R restoration [Re: Swan] #645401
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Slow and steady...


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