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1955 BSA Bantam oil/ gas ratio #636972
01/25/16 8:38 am
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Hi Everyone,

I recently picked up a 1955 Bantam Plunger for my oldest daughter to learn to ride on.

Question on the oil/ gas ratio, Do I use 2 stroke oil or regular 40wt? The manual I have doesnt really tell. The fuel filler cap has the tube attahced for the oil mix but I am assuming that is for regular oil?

Any help is appriciated.

Thanks

Chris


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1966 BSA spitfire
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Re: 1955 BSA Bantam oil/ gas ratio [Re: Blown Income] #636973
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The two stroke scooter teenagers around here mention 1:50 two stroke oil.


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Re: 1955 BSA Bantam oil/ gas ratio [Re: Ger B] #636980
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The specified ratio is 8:1 using engine oil,,, because that is all that was available at the time.
Modern blue smoke oils are chalk & cheese compared to motor oil and yes, probably 50:1 would work OK.

Two little tests
You should get a whiff of blue smoke when opening up the throttle fully
And the inside of the muffler should always feel a bit oily.

I ran a Jawa on a very lean mix around 1/4 of the recommended oil level with absolutely no problems lubrication wise.

However if I went any leaner I could not get a lean burn so I always assume that the thinner mix was going through a hole designed for thicker mix and thus it was running rich. A plug which sooted up faster than oiling up sort of confirmed my opinion.

And congratualtion for opening up the wondrful world of BSA to another young person.


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Re: 1955 BSA Bantam oil/ gas ratio [Re: Blown Income] #636990
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8:1??????????????????--that sounds much too much oil--even in the old days.

Re: 1955 BSA Bantam oil/ gas ratio [Re: Blown Income] #636991
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My BSA Bantam B175 (1971) used to run perfectly for thousands of miles on 32:1 mix of 2-stroke oil.

My suggestion for an earlier bikes is to use 25:1 with a basic modern 2-stroke oil (no real need for expensive synthetics). My B175 has a needle roller little end which required a little less oiling that a plain bush, hence my recommendation.

HTH


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Re: 1955 BSA Bantam oil/ gas ratio [Re: Blown Income] #637052
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Thanks All!

I double checked the ratio of the tube on the filler cap (2 tube fulls per 1 gallon) which came out to 20:1 which I used using senthetic 2 stroke oil. I think it may be a bit rich as it smokes while idling. I think a 25:1 or 30:1 may be better but im going to run this gallon the way it is and check the plug.

So far on the little bit I rode it, it rides really good and has a decent amount of power for a plunger and only being a 125cc.

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1956 BSA A10RR Street and LSR Bike
1961 BSA C15S
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1969 Triumph T100C
1970 Triumph TR6R
1970 Triumph TR6C
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1974 Triumph T150V
Re: 1955 BSA Bantam oil/ gas ratio [Re: Blown Income] #637058
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My recollection from my Bantam days (many years ago now) was that the mixture recommended was 25:1.
However with improved oils then these days it is reckoned that a 50:1 mixture is fine as long as you are using synthetic two stroke oil.
And apparently -- very little smoke.
HTH

Re: 1955 BSA Bantam oil/ gas ratio [Re: Blown Income] #637088
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Go 40:1 and use a modern blend like Maxima Castor 927.
Your friends will thank you for the pleasant aroma you leave behind on the trail.


Don in Nipomo


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Re: 1955 BSA Bantam oil/ gas ratio [Re: Blown Income] #637099
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Originally Posted By Blown Income
Thanks All!

I double checked the ratio of the tube on the filler cap (2 tube fulls per 1 gallon) which came out to 20:1 which I used using senthetic 2 stroke oil. I think it may be a bit rich as it smokes while idling. I think a 25:1 or 30:1 may be better but im going to run this gallon the way it is and check the plug.

The early D1 Instruction manual quotes 3 filler caps per gallon (16:1) while running in, then 2 caps (24:1). That's Imperial gallons, not US, so will give a leaner mixture.
It also says that you can keep running on 16:1 if you like.

Around 30:1 on a more modern 2 stroke oil should work well. The art is to not run so lean that you seize or so rich that you're constantly fouling plugs.

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Originally Posted By D.Bachtel
Go 40:1 and use a modern blend like Maxima Castor 927.
Your friends will thank you for the pleasant aroma you leave behind on the trail.


Don in Nipomo

That's what I always used in my 2 strokes, after a day out on the trails anything left in the gas can went in the lawn mower


When given the choice between two evils I picked the one I haven't tried before
Re: 1955 BSA Bantam oil/ gas ratio [Re: Blown Income] #637105
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I too have racing blowers and weedwhackers..

Re: 1955 BSA Bantam oil/ gas ratio [Re: Blown Income] #637217
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I used to use about 170ml per British gallon. With synthetic 2t oil it will hardly smoke.


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Originally Posted By Allan Gill
I used to use about 170ml per British gallon. With synthetic 2t oil it will hardly smoke.

Somewhere between 25:1 and 30:1 then?

Re: 1955 BSA Bantam oil/ gas ratio [Re: Shane in Oz] #637269
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Originally Posted By Shane in Oz
Originally Posted By Allan Gill
I used to use about 170ml per British gallon. With synthetic 2t oil it will hardly smoke.

Somewhere between 25:1 and 30:1 then?


Could be, I never worked the ratio out. I just had a bottle marked up for ever half gallon of fuel in the tank, I emptied the bottle to that level. Bike ran great.


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