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TT Special, Trophy Special, T120C website #609563
07/21/15 6:50 pm
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Hi

If you're interested in the Triumph Competition 650s you might want to check out the website I've started (it's still embryonic but has info on it some might find interesting, I hope). This means that I no longer feel inclined to post lengthy accounts of my findings on BBF which are of little interest to the vast majority among us who have better things to do than argue whether the pistons in a 1963 TT Special are 12:1, 11.2:1 or 10.5:1 in reality!

TT




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Re: TT Special, Trophy Special, T120C website [Re: TT Rider] #609566
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THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU!

This new site is BADLY needed. I hope a lot of misconceptions and bad information can be put to rest on this site.

All the best to you on this venture.

Re: TT Special, Trophy Special, T120C website [Re: TT Rider] #609580
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Good for you TT !!

Saved to my favorites ( bookmarks )


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1957 6T Thunderbird 650
1968 T100R Daytona 500
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1970 BSA A65F 650
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Re: TT Special, Trophy Special, T120C website [Re: TT Rider] #609586
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Congratulations Charles, nicely put together and promises to be a very useful resource. I look forward to seeing more.

Phil

Re: TT Special, Trophy Special, T120C website [Re: PhilM] #609590
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Thanks everyone for your kind words, I really appreciate it! I have a lot of ideas and a fair bit of material to add to the site to make it a useful resource to anyone interested in these bikes.




Re: TT Special, Trophy Special, T120C website [Re: TT Rider] #610044
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Have a look at the 1967 TT on www.thebikeshed.net

Re: TT Special, Trophy Special, T120C website [Re: TT Rider] #610092
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The early '67 TT looks good, but the "professional restorer's" work on the '67 T120R shows the usual lack of research I often see from such "professionals."

1969 front brake
1968-70 seat (silver edge trim not used in '67)
1969 and later seat hinges (should look like fish hooks, not flat stampings)
oil level decal placed too high on the tank
wrong (too late) oil brands decal on top of the oil tank

Simple things, but if he knows his stuff, why make these mistakes? Proper parts ARE available.
Or, is he just in a hurry to get it done to get it sold?

Re: TT Special, Trophy Special, T120C website [Re: TT Rider] #610132
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The '67 TT has the later seat also. While it does look very nice the issue I would have is it looks too nice. It's the old "they didn't look that nice when new".


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Re: TT Special, Trophy Special, T120C website [Re: TT Rider] #610152
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Knowing the restorer I asked him. He said the T120R finish was the owners choice. However the 68 brakeplate WAS introduced to the US market (dealer fitment) late on in '67 as Triumph weren't selling many machines as the public knew the TLS brake was coming on the '68 model (David Gaylin book)
Oil level decal should be 3/4 up the oiltank, seat hinges, well they fitted whatever they could lay their hands on....this is a very late '67 end of production line machine.
No idea what's wrong with the oiltank transfer??
Hey I would love to have any of these machines, anyone can nitpick!!!
Too many chromed items: wheel spindles, intake manifolds, brakeplate levers, stainless nuts and bolts, stainless spokes, all nuts and bolts facing the same way, too many washers, transfers exactly straight, exhausts equidistant from the rear wheel and ground.....they never came out of the factory like that smile

Re: TT Special, Trophy Special, T120C website [Re: TT Rider] #610168
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Original 1967 factory photos show the "Minimum Oil Level" line is level with the middle fin on a five-fin head. This bike in question shows it ABOVE the TOP fin and that is too high.

Maybe the British dealers knew about the upcoming twin leading shoe front brake, but it wasn't publicised in the USA until we saw it on the '68 models...and it's appearance was not liked, especially that long, loopy brake cable which, for that reason, was changed for 1969. That brake with the long cable was originally used on the Bonneville "Thruxton" road race bikes, of wich less that a dozen per year were built in the Meridan racing team shop. As USA AMA racing rules restricted OHV bikes to 500cc displacement, no 650cc bikes were raced in AMA competition until 1969 or '70, so I doubt the Triumph two-leading-shoe brake was seen or used in the USA before 1968.

The paint scheme on the fuel tank of the bike in the photos was often seen on bikes sold in Canada, but I never saw the colors divided like that on any '67 T120R sold new in the USA. Maybe there were some, I just never saw one. Counting the two Aubergine/Gold schemes, there were at least FOUR different Aubergine/Gold and Aubergine/White paint arrangements that year for this model.

Proper oil usage decal for mid-1960 through 1968:

USE ONLY
B.P. ENERGOL, SHELL,
WAKEFIELD CASTROL,
MOBILOIL, ESSOLUBE,
OR REGENT HAVOLINE.
REFER TO HANDBOOK FOR
RECOMMENDED GRADES

These were decals, not glue-backed "stickers," as stickers were introduced beginning in 1969.

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