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When is a "truck" a TRUCK? #607278
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Listening to the radio today, I heard a show host describing
the upcoming 2016 models of autos and pick-up trucks, and all the "glorious new features" we are supposed to breathlessly await, at a price of 30,000 USA dollars, each.

Sorry, car dealers: I made my living for thirty years doing delivery services driving 500-dollar trucks bought out of sellers' front lawns, all "pre-dented" (no worries about paint scratches or new dents.) The day I pay $30,000 for a NEW truck is the day my wife can have me committed to a mental ward. I can do a lot more with that money on my home or my bikes.

The next topic was from a lady who asked "What vehicle should I buy to car-pool my kids and others to pre-school?"
Having one of my own (now grown up) I now provide one of my typical "realistic" (sarcastic) replies to that, also:

1) Buy a surplussed utility service van from the local electric or gas company, one with a fence-wire divider between the driver and the cargo area. Then the kids can't reach you to distract you while driving.

2) Buy one with NO windows on either side or the rear, so they can't throw anything out, or distract anyone else, either.

3) Bolt down several wire-mesh seats to the van's floor, install seat belts, and tie some washable, removable cushions to the seats. Then, when one of the kids pukes, or soils his pants, you can remove those cushions, hose-out the rear of the van, install a CLEAN set of cushions, and be ready to go again.

Better yet, buy a surplus convict transport van from a police agency. It will be so equipped, and at some ages the kids aren't too much different in their conduct anyway.

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For the rest of us: ALREADY TOO LATE, unless you are now GRANDPARENTS.

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Re: When is a "truck" a TRUCK? [Re: Irish Swede] #607282
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Originally Posted By Irish Swede
Listening to the radio today, I heard a show host describing
the upcoming 2016 models of autos and pick-up trucks, and all the "glorious new features" we are supposed to breathlessly await, at a price of 30,000 USA dollars, each.

Sorry, car dealers: I made my living for thirty years doing delivery services driving 500-dollar trucks bought out of sellers' front lawns, all "pre-dented" (no worries about paint scratches or new dents.) The day I pay $30,000 for a NEW truck is the day my wife can have me committed to a mental ward.


I can tell that you aren't much into new trucks.

$30,000 won't buy a truck that any self-respecting resident of our rural county would even buy to haul firewood.

The "de rigeur" pickup these days is a Ford F350 Dually Crew Cab (or the Dodge or GM equivalent), fully equipped with a 500 horsepower turbodiesel, with a tool box and a huge trailer hitch.

If you don't pay $60,000 for your truck, you're just not making it in this world. Even if the price represents 18 months of wages. You buy it at 3% interest, 72 payments, $840 a month, and work lots of overtime to do it.

If anything were to ever convince me that people are rolling in more money today than they know what to do with, it would be looking at the trucks that my neighbors are buying .....

Lannis


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Re: When is a "truck" a TRUCK? [Re: Lannis] #607284
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“The "de rigeur" pickup these days is a Ford F350 Dually Crew Cab (or the Dodge or GM equivalent), fully equipped with a 500 horsepower turbodiesel, with a tool box and a huge trailer hitch.”

Lannis; you forgot the large brass scrotum hanging from the trailer hitch crazy


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Re: When is a "truck" a TRUCK? [Re: breeze1954] #607288
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Originally Posted By breeze1954
“The "de rigeur" pickup these days is a Ford F350 Dually Crew Cab (or the Dodge or GM equivalent), fully equipped with a 500 horsepower turbodiesel, with a tool box and a huge trailer hitch.”

Lannis; you forgot the large brass scrotum hanging from the trailer hitch crazy


That's only on the trucks whose driver doesn't have any of his own. I don't claim to know which ones they are, until they declare it ....

Lannis


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Re: When is a "truck" a TRUCK? [Re: Irish Swede] #607306
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Over here in the UK there is now little choice now if you want a 1 ton pickup as most are double cab/crew cab type.We ran a ISUZU long bed pickup for years until the rot really set in but trying to replace it was a headache as the crew cab type trucks are useless if you want to carry a proper load. seems like these trucks are bought by posing builders or mums taking their kids to school most are shiny black with chrome bits stuck everywhere for maximum posing value!! not for us as we use them as intended. ended up buying a ex forestry commission truck single cab Ford painted a horrible flat dark green colour ideal paint for a quick touch up when it gets knocked about..Dave


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Re: When is a "truck" a TRUCK? [Re: Irish Swede] #607310
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Yes, for years in the UK we had very few pickups and now have bling style impractical Japanese derived pose mobiles.

There was a short period in the 80's when ford and a few European manufacturers made salon car derived pickups but they seem to have died a death either due to lack of demand or desire to seek such basic vehicles.

We don't have space of the need for the massive things you have.

A basic "ute" style ute is what the UK should have, but too many people are seduced by home and flashy paint

Re: When is a "truck" a TRUCK? [Re: Irish Swede] #607315
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i have to have a truck, where i live. preferably four wheel drive, as i live three miles from the pavement, and two of the three roads to town require me to ford streams, and the third is sometimes two feet deep in snow.

i use the truck for hauling fenceposts, machinery, motorcycles, building materials, and so on.

i also use them to knock down the worthless old outbuildings that persist on my property here and there:

BANG, CRASH . . . another one down.

we use the trucks to pull other trucks out of the mud when we get stuck going to town for shopping, and i chain up downed trees to them to pull them out of the road after we get unstuck from the mud.

i don't buy anything new-- it generally has 140,000 miles on it before i get it, and i keep hem a while. the 4WD GMC one ton is currently on its fourth engine, at 500,000-plus miles.


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Re: When is a "truck" a TRUCK? [Re: Irish Swede] #607319
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Lets see...what is a TRUCK made for. Hauling things I think.
I just have to shake my head when I look at some peoples TRUCK's. Here in southern New Mexico where it is above 100 degrees F for a good part of the summer I see people that have a black truck with black interior so that they can bake biscuits on a pan in the seat when the windows are rolled up. Of course the truck is 4 wheel drive, shiny and polished with all sorts of chrome, aggressive tires and a push bumper with winch, none of which has a single scratch on it so it has never been off of the pavement or anywhere near a place where it snows. Many with a color matched tonneau cover over the bed which makes it useless for hauling anything large and inconvenient to load large things that will fit.
My 2000 Ford f150 with lift gate has 300,000 plus miles on it. This is the 3rd pickup I have used the same lift gate on. I fix and repair my trucks until they are worn out before I get another used one. If I want to go somewhere that does not require a truck, I drive the car.
I guess this attitude comes from fixing and repairing old motorcycles and 50 plus year old cars and using them.

Re: When is a "truck" a TRUCK? [Re: Lannis] #607341
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Wow, you guys are brutal...and fair. If you`ve seen a Lincoln "Nauseator" Pickup or a Cadillac "Escalator" Pickup, you know they are the answer to a question that was never asked.


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Re: When is a "truck" a TRUCK? [Re: Irish Swede] #607344
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I work at a GM dealership. 2wd standard cab stripped down work trucks don't sell. Even the young guys around here want 2500HD diesels even though they'll never hook it to anything my S10 wouldn't pull.


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Re: When is a "truck" a TRUCK? [Re: Irish Swede] #607349
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Re: When is a "truck" a TRUCK? [Re: Irish Swede] #607355
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To "Kevin in Ohio," and "Craigw in New Mexico:"
At least you and I know what "TRUCKS" are supposed to be used for, not as ornamental status vehicles!

Lannis, I guess I set the bar too low. It should have been set at $50,000 to $60,000.
But at that price, if I paid that, my wife wouldn't commit me to an asylum,
She'd SHOOT me! (And it would be justifiable homicide!)

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seriously, the popularity of trucks has been a real down side for me. trucks used to be utilitarian vehicles that didnt cost as much as cars, were tougher, and didnt suffer from mission creep.

my first car was a chevrolet half ton, 2wd and a six cylinder, with no options. no radio or cigarette lighter even. drove it a few years and bought a 2wd ford half ton, six cylinder with a fourspeed. couldnt get one without power steering and power brakes.. drove that for 27 years.

trucks are often now bloated luxury yachts, with cloth seats, carpet, sound systems, and lots of profitable features. its hard to find a plain jane that you can hose out at the carwash..


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Ha ha....the vehicle I learned to drive in was a 1965 Chevy C10 that looked very close to this one that I snagged off the 'net, color and all.



It had the large rear window ( which my dad was always proud of ) and he had dropped a 1970 LT-1 350 engine into it coupled to a 4 speed on the floor, manual transmission. It originally had come with the 3 speed transmission with the column shifter. It had holes in it, a wooden bed and sometimes the shifter would hang up and get stuck in one of the gears. The drivers door was prone to flying open going around a right hand curve but we loved that truck ! I miss it and think back to being a 15 year old punk, scared shitless in the beginning but on down the road I went and got pretty good at it in short order.

We hauled motorcycles in that truck, pulled motorcycles behind it to get them started, hauled firewood, boats and diesel truck parts as well as food and all the kids in the back when we went on vacations to Lake Lure in NC and Lake Lanier in Georgia, hauling our boat from Orlando, FL up and back. It had what looked like bullet holes in the sheet metal near the emblem and the drivers door and all of my buddies believed they were bullet holes my dad had acquired in his 1970's bad ass biker days in apparent shoot outs ( he really hadn't ) with rival bikers ! So, that truck definitely served its "truck" purpose and I have some very fond memories of it !

The large rear window option:



Jon W.


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My uncle came to pick me up in Toronto where I visited a supplier in 1982 and took me to Buffalo (NY), where he lived.
He came in a truck and that thing was huge.
It seated him and me in front, his two boys and my aunt on back seats or a back sofa and than came the cargo area (if you can call it so).
It would have seated 6 adults if I remember well.
It must have been longer than what you show, Jon.
Or does my memory play jokes on me? It's more than 30 years ago...


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Originally Posted By Ger B
My uncle came to pick me up in Toronto where I visited a supplier in 1982 and took me to Buffalo (NY), where he lived.
He came in a truck and that thing was huge.
It seated him and me in front, his two boys and my aunt on back seats or a back sofa and than came the cargo area (if you can call it so).
It would have seated 6 adults if I remember well.
It must have been longer than what you show, Jon.
Or does my memory play jokes on me? It's more than 30 years ago...


Nope, probably one of these:



Very popular in the northern USA and in Canada at the time .....

Lannis


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In 2008 I bought a 4 year old Chevy 1/2 ton 4x4 with the smallest V8 they put in them and no power options at all. I paid $7000.00 for it, which is all the dealer was going to allow the seller for trade in on it. All I've ever done to/with it is drive it and plow snow, and I think I could sell it today and make a profit off it. But then I'd have to find another one..


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probably one of these

No it was red. crazy

Yes. It had four doors. The first time I was there at my uncles was 1973.
A wonderfull experience. I never felt more welcome in my life.
Everybody in his neighbourhood, other relatives, his friends drove normal
(well for US standards, tanks for us) family saloon cars.

I came back in 1983 and everybody in his neighbourhood,
other relatives, his friends drove these huge trucks because you simply needed a truck...

With all respect... there are differences between Europe and the US.
No disrespect intended. Just a fact of reality.
beerchug


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Originally Posted By Ger B
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probably one of these

No it was red. crazy

Yes. It had four doors. The first time I was there at my uncles was 1973.
A wonderfull experience. I never felt more welcome in my life.
Everybody in his neighbourhood, other relatives, his friends drove normal
(well for US standards, tanks for us) family saloon cars.

I came back in 1983 and everybody in his neighbourhood,
other relatives, his friends drove these huge trucks because you simply needed a truck...

beerchug


Me personal, I think that Europeans have a MUCH better and more realistic attitude toward cars and driving than the average American. Although I'm a red-white-and-blue American through and through, it doesn't make me blind to our weaknesses and faults.

One difference is that your average American THINKS they know how to drive, but they're terrible at it. Watch any of them try to pass a bicycle on the road, or parallel-park, or drive between narrow construction barriers. They stop and worry and tiptoe through gaps that a Brit could drive an airplane through at full speed, because they have no idea where their fenders are.

They throw a conniption fit if they see a "traffic circle", as it were something from an alien world. AND they're SO proud of their ability to "multi-task", and so thousands of people a year are killed in texting/driving accidents.

(Full Disclosure - I own a '97 Dodge pickup, which gets about 1000 miles a year, mostly hauling firewood, mulch, seed, and fertilizer).

90% of the non-commercial pickup trucks on the road have never had anything in the bed besides a cooler or a lawn chair. It's strictly fashion, which started about the time that Willie Nelson sang "Momma, Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up To Be Cowboys" with the lyric "...don't let 'em pick guitars and drive them ol' trucks, let 'em be doctors and lawyers and such ...."

In other words, you're a baby and a poosey if you don't drive a good ol' boy pickup truck everywhere. SO many times around here, you see a big roaring jacked-up pickup pull up, and down climbs a tiny guy in huge cowboy boots, a big beard, sunglasses, and a John Deere hat that's about 5'2" and weighs 125 pounds including his dinner-plate sized belt buckle.

And we LOVE burning gasoline and diesel. If I have any prospects for an easy retirement, it's partly because my "fleet mileage" at my house is over 40 miles per gallon; I spend very little on fuel. I lust after one of those Citroen 3-cylinder diesel cars that gets 65 miles per gallon that they don't sell here because Americans love cars that get 8 miles to the gallon, and they drive them 40,000 miles a year just to ride around and listen to the satellite radio or MP3 player.

I wish we'd use smaller cars, ride more motorcycles and scooters, and quit this obsession with huge, wasteful SUVs and pickups. But the fact of the matter is that the average American has 3 times the disposal income to buy cars, gas, toys, and widgets that his parents had, and they spend it like it's going out of style.

Might not last forever!!

Lannis


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If you really want to make an impression you reprogram the diesel in your codpiece truck to blow black smoke over everyone.


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Originally Posted By Lannis
Originally Posted By breeze1954


Lannis; you forgot the large brass scrotum hanging from the trailer hitch crazy


That's only on the trucks whose driver doesn't have any of his own. I don't claim to know which ones they are, until they declare it ....

Lannis


Those large brass (or otherwise) scrotums are about the most crass, low class thing I may have seen- anywhere, ever.
USA Americans are really capable of sheer ignorance at times. These "balls" hanging offa guys' trucks is about as low and utterly gross as it gets, and just goes to prove exactly how stupidly base [elements of] our culture can be.

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If you really want to make an impression you reprogram the diesel in your codpiece truck to blow black smoke over everyone.


Yeah, no. That's called "coal rolling". I'd put the so-called "coal rollers" in the same class as the trailer trash hick who hangs fake testicles off his truck.


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...in most parts of the world the majority pick up "trucks" are Japanese however, when I was in Japan for a few months I never ever saw one...in the country they use smaller vehicles (in Spanish there s words for these varieties but seems English language only have the "TRUCK" word)

-To Craigw: you says that you use a car...why not use a motorcycle? I do not even have a car.
I do not know, but this is a bike forum; should be not so strange to drive a motorcycle...to commute or to ride.

-Im from America but Im not an US citizen; when exactly USA appropriate of the term?

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I think that Europeans have a MUCH better and more realistic attitude toward cars

Do not praise us for what we are not laughing

I'm sure if the tax system was different here and the price of a vehicle and the price of fuel would not be sky high due to taxes,
we also would ride bigger cars with larger engines,
and regret it when we find out our parking spaces (my country is one of the densest populated on the planet) are so small... blush

Cars are built for the country they ride in. Why is an Alfa Romeo narrower than any other European car?
Ride any other European car through the old center of any Italian town with it's twist and turns and medieval gates... shocked


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Re: When is a "truck" a TRUCK? [Re: reverb] #607529
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Originally Posted By reverb
...in most parts of the world the majority pick up "trucks" are Japanese however, when I was in Japan for a few months I never ever saw one...in the country they use smaller vehicles (in Spanish there s words for these varieties but seems English language only have the "TRUCK" word)

-To Craigw: you says that you use a car...why not use a motorcycle? I do not even have a car.
I do not know, but this is a bike forum; should be not so strange to drive a motorcycle...to commute or to ride.

-Im from America but Im not an US citizen; when exactly USA appropriate of the term?


We're just lazy Reverb. Why say North American when you can just say America?

Not all of "America" is in North America either. Ahem...I'm in the middle of Oceania....or Oceanica to some.

US is certainly more descriptive.

BTW my main transportation is a motorcycle...for 45 years now. I just bought a new one. No, not another Brit, but a Honda Nighthawk 650. I'll post a ride report when it gets here from North America.


Cheers,
Bill


Bikes
1974 Commando
1985 Honda Nighthawk 650
1957 Thunderbird/T110 "Flying Tiger"
Antique Fans: Loads of Emersons (Two six wingers) plus gyros and orbiters.
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