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#591015 - 03/20/15 10:02 pm 1959 Catalina  
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My first post with a picture: I hope.
I have a 1959 Catalina that I bought 30+ years ago and have been hauling the parts back and forth across the country. Just getting started putting it back together.
If this works I will post some more pictures with a list of questions.


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#591016 - 03/20/15 10:05 pm Re: 1959 Catalina [Re: John Cox]  
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Welcome aboard! Looks like a great project. Ask away, you will find this forum to be an invaluable resource. I could not have built my Goldie without all the great people here.


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#591023 - 03/20/15 10:40 pm Re: 1959 Catalina [Re: John Cox]  
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Welcome! Although at first glance a few people, ahem, might seem obsessed by numbers, everyone here very much likes to work on and ride them as well. As I write this there are "only" 61 people viewing the Gold Star Forum, but that works out to something like 2000 years of collective experience to draw on.

#591038 - 03/21/15 12:05 am Re: 1959 Catalina [Re: Magnetoman]  
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Well; My post seemed to work!
Here is a picture, actual film photo it is so old, of the bike when Fred and I got it home from Ventura, California. As you can see it had a hard life. I have a bad habit of taking things apart and not getting back to them as I proved again with the Goldstar.
Fred made me get it running before he would let me take it apart.



Frame number



engine number



dent in gas tank




A few questions.

recommendation for gas tank dent repair?

The oil tank has a lose baffle rattling around in it.
Recommended method of fixing it?

Source for fenders and stays?

The seat has made in Japan stamped it the pan?
Source for a replacement.

Thats it for now.
John

#591042 - 03/21/15 1:01 am Re: 1959 Catalina [Re: John Cox]  
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Originally Posted By John Cox
recommendation for gas tank dent repair?

The oil tank has a lose baffle rattling around in it.
Recommended method of fixing it?

Source for fenders and stays?

The seat has made in Japan stamped it the pan?
Source for a replacement.
"Luckily," unless you left the outside of the engine dirty on purpose, you still have all the mechanical work to do. This means none of the items you mention will slow down your restoration for quite a while.

As for your gas tank. Although not inexpensive, I highly recommend Ross Thompson. Relevant posts about his work on my Gold Star tank are:

http://www.britbike.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=508155#Post508155
http://www.britbike.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=513813#Post513813
http://www.britbike.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=518277#Post518277

I've never had a baffle come loose, but I can only imagine fixing it by opening it up, welding, and then welding it shut again.

Fenders, stays, and seat pan -- eBay. Followed by dent removal, polishing, chroming, and recovering. Or gambling on reproductions. But, I wouldn't hurry on these items and instead would concentrate on carefully rebuilding the engine while keeping an eye open for the cycle parts you need.

#591043 - 03/21/15 2:00 am Re: 1959 Catalina [Re: John Cox]  
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John: Nice project. Here is a before and after of a ZB GS tank Ross Thompson did for me.

Before



After



Keep us posted on the progress.

Gordo


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#591133 - 03/21/15 2:14 pm Re: 1959 Catalina [Re: John Cox]  
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I have a question for you Catalina guys regarding the clamp-on foot pegs on the early Cats:
I am referring to the non-folding foot pegs, used before 1961:

On some of those I have seen, the peg itself is solid, others the bottom of the peg itself
is hollow (would appear as an upside down "U" if cut as a section.)

Is there a date or possibly a serial number to explain when this change was made?

#591154 - 03/21/15 5:18 pm Re: 1959 Catalina [Re: John Cox]  
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While the stamping on the frame and engine appear to be correct I make the frame to be a late '59 but the engine to be '56 or '57. I don't think I have seen a S stamp below the engine number on this year of engine before. Not saying it's wrong, just haven't seen it before.


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#591155 - 03/21/15 5:27 pm Re: 1959 Catalina [Re: Irish Swede]  
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Originally Posted By Irish Swede
I have a question for you Catalina guys regarding the clamp-on foot pegs on the early Cats:
I am referring to the non-folding foot pegs, used before 1961:

On some of those I have seen, the peg itself is solid, others the bottom of the peg itself
is hollow (would appear as an upside down "U" if cut as a section.)

Is there a date or possibly a serial number to explain when this change was made?



I have a set or two of the type you're describing and I always thought, can't confirm, that they were replacement parts.


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#591435 - 03/23/15 11:57 am Re: 1959 Catalina [Re: John Cox]  
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Hi Boomer,
The "The Gold Star Buyer's Companion" Shows the engine number DBD34GS 4377 as being a late 1959 Scrambler (S) which would be correct for a 1959 Catalina? S

John

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Originally Posted By John Cox
Hi Boomer,
The "The Gold Star Buyer's Companion" Shows the engine number DBD34GS 4377 as being a late 1959 Scrambler (S) which would be correct for a 1959 Catalina? S

John



You're right John. I was too quick to pull the trigger and was looking at frame numbers. Sorry about that. Looks like a nice project and welcome to the forum.


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#592052 - 03/26/15 10:40 pm Re: 1959 Catalina [Re: John Cox]  
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My Tank will go off to Ross Thompson for repair.
I need a recomendation on shocks.
I have found Wassell, EMGO and hagon?
Are the Hagon's worth the extra money?

Rocommendation on a repair shop to rebuild the front forks?
Are there any Goldstar people and or shops in my area (Tucson,Arizona)?

I seem to have lost my primary chaincase sliding plate 66-7520.
Is there a source for one?
A couple more pictures for those of us that like pictures.







John

#592053 - 03/26/15 10:54 pm Re: 1959 Catalina [Re: John Cox]  
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Originally Posted By John Cox
I need a recomendation on shocks.
I have found Wassell, EMGO and hagon?
Are the Hagon's worth the extra money?


You could also try Ikon in Albury, Australia. They were the Australian Koni distributor, and bought the manufacturing rights from Koni when they stopped producing motorcycle shocks some years back.

The exchange rate has moved a long way in your favour in the last 6 months, so prices should be very competitive.

#592055 - 03/26/15 11:15 pm Re: 1959 Catalina [Re: John Cox]  
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For the sliding plate 66-7520 try Phil Pearson below. He has a nice alloy version with a real oil seal in it.
Gordo

http://www.bsagoldstar.co.uk/


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#592095 - 03/27/15 8:41 am Re: 1959 Catalina [Re: Shane in Oz]  
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Originally Posted By Shane in Oz
Originally Posted By John Cox
I need a recomendation on shocks.
I have found Wassell, EMGO and hagon?
Are the Hagon's worth the extra money?


You could also try Ikon in Albury, Australia. They were the Australian Koni distributor, and bought the manufacturing rights from Koni when they stopped producing motorcycle shocks some years back.

The exchange rate has moved a long way in your favour in the last 6 months, so prices should be very competitive.


+1 bigt


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#592096 - 03/27/15 8:43 am Re: 1959 Catalina [Re: John Cox]  
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The forks are pretty easy to rebuild yourself.
Probably the worst part is getting that damn clip out! mad


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'65 Lightning Rocket.
'74 Roadster Commando.



#592122 - 03/27/15 11:49 am Re: 1959 Catalina [Re: M Shearer]  
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Mark,
I think that goes, _IF_ the seal holders aren't rusted, or otherwise somehow held, in place....

John,
Recently, there were a LOT of primary chaincase sliding plates for sale on fleabay...
But, I like the idea that if you can get a seal equipped, and even a support bearing equipped modern sliding plate, you'll be better off, it just won't be original equipment...

Last edited by Rickman; 03/27/15 11:55 am.
#592186 - 03/27/15 6:07 pm Re: 1959 Catalina [Re: Rickman]  
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Hi,
Recently I ordered a new sliding plate from a well known BSA parts supplier, no fault to them as they sell whats available but the centre hole in the plate is well oversize and in no way would help keep the oil in mad
So probably the Pearson plate is the only worthwhile answer ??

Regards
John

#597585 - 05/02/15 11:15 am Re: 1959 Catalina [Re: John Cox]  
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Since my bike is going to be a scrambles bike when finished I am going to need at least a new rear fender with the attaching hardware.
iIs there a source other than India for one?
If not are the India fenders useable?
Best Regards
John

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Try Chris Williams at Autocycle Engineering in the UK. They should have the fenders and most of your Gold Star needs. They have a web site.


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#597629 - 05/02/15 6:43 pm Re: 1959 Catalina [Re: John Cox]  
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cheers John would you take a look at the back part of the plate that the oiltank mounts to and see if there is a cut out for the lower fender clip . if not any ideas on how the lower part of the fender mounts to frame . autocycle engineering had the rear fender and stays for my 1960 and will sell with or without chrome on fender. h

#597634 - 05/02/15 7:34 pm Re: 1959 Catalina [Re: John Cox]  
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Hunter

Here is a shot showing the rear of the tank platform and if you look down below the swingarm you will see a welded on tab bracket with two holes



This shot shows the bracket that bolts onto the above tab. (just a temp bolt holding it on)



All my frame have the welded on bracket.

Gordo


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#597636 - 05/02/15 7:57 pm Re: 1959 Catalina [Re: John Cox]  
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thank gordo the scrambles fender is shorer and stops above the swing arm . on my oid clubman the fender went passed the swing are and mounted on the tab that your photo shows any body have an idea how the scrambles fender mounts. h

#597640 - 05/02/15 8:32 pm Re: 1959 Catalina [Re: John Cox]  
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Hi Hunter,
Here is a picture of the oil tank base plate.



Another angle



I disassembled the bike 30 years ago and am still looking for parts.
There may be a bracket that is bolted between the two brackets tat are welded to the up tubes on either side of the base plate?

John

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Hunter: A look at the BMS page for the scrambles fender shows the bracket you are talking about, shown below. I agree it looks as if in would go around the cross tube. The two frames I have with the welded on oil tank mount have the lower bracket I showed above. The bracket below could not have been used. Both frames left the factory in scrambles trim. I would just make a bracket to loop around the tube over the top gearbox plate rear mounting bolt that is just under the cross tube.



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