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Moded BSA B33 motor, cams valves crank pics. Q's #330819
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Hi there
I have got a B33 motor. Here in the uk they are hard to come by. I have been trawling the forums for advice regarding the head being welded. This has been done.
Here are pictures of what I found when the engine was dismantled to examine/repair (it's been in a yard for years).
It's a lightned crank with a polished conrod (excuse the watermark)

And work done on the rockers

Also has posh valves


As well as these there was a high compression piston and nice cams.
Here's a list
Cams
65-1891
65-2442
piston
65-1267 1/2mm os
inlet valve
65-1632 (g2 on it)
exhaust vave is hard to make out, I can just see bsa & g2.

I have a couple of Q's
Does anybody recognise the cam partnumbers? I have seen 1 of them on pearsons site.
Are these touring? or what?
any advice from others in this field would be apreciated
cheers

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Re: Moded BSA B33 motor, cams valves crank pics. Q's [Re: ] #330884
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The dynamic compression ratio determines what octane fuel you need. You would need to measure the static compression ratio and then figure out the profile of the cams which you could do with a degree wheel and a dial gauge.

Re: Moded BSA B33 motor, cams valves crank pics. Q's [Re: maxwell] #330889
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cheers. This engine looked like it had done about 500 - 1000 miles when i dismantled it. it had an even dark grey coating in combustion chamber.
It also had a short magneto strap.
(no mag or carb)

Re: Moded BSA B33 motor, cams valves crank pics. Q's [Re: ] #330894
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The crank looks almost identical to the Gold Star ZB crank fitted in my ZB34.

The rockers are ZB Gold Star items having the lightened body with exhaust valve lifter foot also being cut down.

65-2442 is a clubman inlet cam and normally runs with a 65-2446 exhaust cam. I can't help with 65-1891 at the moment but will dig though some notes. I think it was a 1950-1951 clubman exhaust cam.

Re: Moded BSA B33 motor, cams valves crank pics. Q's [Re: maxwell] #330951
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According to Bacon's Singles Resto book the 65-1891 was used around 1954/555 for exhaust on some 350 and 500 Clubman, some 350 Tourers, at least one 350 scrambler and some 54/55 Race machines. The timing is 60 85 85 60. These are all CB or DB engines.

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Re: Moded BSA B33 motor, cams valves crank pics. Q's [Re: maxwell] #330964
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The 65-1891 exhaust cam is listed for the 350 Clubman. It is designed to be fitted with the 10 degree advance pinion. It has a longer duration than the more typical 65-2446 cam many of us use in both race and road GSs.

That all being said, I've tried using the 1891 a couple of times over the years with poor results in my 500 DBDs. However the 350 GSrs really like them. hmmm

For sale: 65-1891 cam and a 10 degree advance pinion


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Re: Moded BSA B33 motor, cams valves crank pics. Q's [Re: maxwell] #330975
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Thanks for the help. I am just getting my head around the goldstar type parts, I'm used to bog standard b31.
forgive my ignorance but what is the 10 degree advance pinion?

Re: Moded BSA B33 motor, cams valves crank pics. Q's [Re: maxwell] #330980
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Maxwell sez:

"what is the 10 degree advance pinion?"

The 10 advance pinion was used on certain cam combinations on the 350cc variation of the Gold Star to alter cam timing suitable for the 350.


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Re: Moded BSA B33 motor, cams valves crank pics. Q's [Re: maxwell] #330982
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Thank You for the link. I am curious about that inlet valve too.

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Re: Moded BSA B33 motor, cams valves crank pics. Q's [Re: Stephenrc45] #330988
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Correction inlet is 65-1632


Originally Posted By: Stephenrc45
The crank looks almost identical to the Gold Star ZB crank fitted in my ZB34.

The rockers are ZB Gold Star items having the lightened body with exhaust valve lifter foot also being cut down.

65-2442 is a clubman inlet cam and normally runs with a 65-2446 exhaust cam. I can't help with 65-1891 at the moment but will dig though some notes. I think it was a 1950-1951 clubman exhaust cam.


Has that crank You speak of been lightened or did it come like that as standard. (standard b31 crank has a lip on the flywheels)
the conrod looks to have been polished also.


Re: the 10 degree advance pinion, I see no visual difference in the one from this engine, and a standard b31 item, apart from one has 7 stamped on it.

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Re: Moded BSA B33 motor, cams valves crank pics. Q's [Re: maxwell] #330992
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The Gold Star ZB crank was like that as standard. The side of the webs were turned down then polished by BSA.

ZB33 r/h crank web part number 65-1235

ZB34GS r/h crank web part number 65-1358

If I remember right the part number should be cast onto the crank web.

The ZBGS crank also came with a polished rod.

Re: Moded BSA B33 motor, cams valves crank pics. Q's [Re: maxwell] #330997
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Here's my ZB34GS crank. Sorry its in a set of cases but you get the idea.


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Thank You.
My conrod has 66-483 on it.
I cannot find any numbers on the crank. but I have noticed a slight difference in the lenght of the drive side shaft compared to b31.
making it difficult to fit the cush drive

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Drive shafts for alloy chaincases were just a smiggen longer than drives for tin chaincases but they are same at the other end so it is easy to get them mixed up.
Drives for stationary engines or for non motorcycle applications were also longer.
BSA made engines for all sorts of things other than motorcycles.
They made them on the same lines with the same tooling so they will look like they fit till you try and line things up when suddenly the primary is 1/2" too far out or so close that the clutch can not line up.
We buy stuff for swaps or on evil bay from traders who have either no idea or just a rough working knowledge then wonder why they don't actually fit.
DID you measure it from end to end first ?


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Re: Moded BSA B33 motor, cams valves crank pics. Q's [Re: BSA_WM20] #331129
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I have to take some measurements, but this thing must have come from a running bike before. It was more likely to have been some sort of goldie replica, as there were the metal wound oil lines hanging off it

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There were a number of differing cush drive set ups. Some shorter than the others. I'm sure a set up could be found to fit.

Your con-rod could be either a B32/34 unit with that part number.

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I have a spare b31 motor that i had to nick the cases off for this one. The con rod in that has the same part no also.
b31 flywheel has part number on the counterweight section.
that part of the light crank has no number. I can't find a number on this crank which makes me wonder if somebody turned all that metal off to replicate the posh crank

It's a mysterious motor. looks like somebody got a bunch of zb bits put in an iron motor. and used a bizzare cam combo.

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Looks interesting tho'! :-)
The iron motor can be made to go pretty quick. Maybe with slightly softer cams than these? They also run very hot (on petrol) when highly tuned. Oh yes, they go BANG as well! The long rods aren't safe much over 6000rpm (they are all 50-65 years old now)
Seems to have built to something like B34 competition spec. But the crank is not B33. It looks very much like ZB32GS - if not genuine it would be fairly straighforward to convert B31 flywheels to that spec. All the B33/34 cranks were the heavier castings (very similar to M20 wheels). I always assumed this to be due to it being easier to balance the assy. with heavier 500 piston & workload. There is another recent & useful thread on early / ZB crank ID.
Goldie long rods are 66-1321 not the 66-483 B31/3 but I suspect they were the same rod but polished!? (Never seen a numbered ZB GS rod). No GS cranks I've seen have had numbers stamped.
Early cases are all the same timing side. ZB34 drive side cases I have are heavier with more strengthening webs than ZB31/2/33 which are the same number as B32GS up to 1951 - GS then got a stronger drive side. You must check that valve springs dont get coil bound at full lift. They will with these cams! The very high lift 1891 & + 10 deg. pinion is the best racing exh. cam for CB-DB350's. Without the pinion you can't adjust the valve timing any less than +/- 20deg.

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See the Gold Star forum;
"Distinguishing features of ZB and BB cranks?"

Also looks like your crank could be GS as it seems to have the big cankpin nuts = Goldie crankpin. Check the shafts aren't loose!


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I knew an old boy that raced for BSA at Daytona starting in '48. His first ride was on a YB34, iron engine 500cc. He thought the YB34 had more power and ran better than the later ZB34 alloy engines. His YB34 was a rigid frame and was much preferred over the plunger frame model.


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Hi,
Quote:
inlet is 65-1632

This is shown as a 500cc Clubmans inlet valve in the 49-52/3 BSA spares book

HTH
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