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#58569 - 12/20/07 1:40 am H-4 headlamp bulbs  
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Have had to replace 3 H-4 headlamp bulbs in the past five months. The first and second were NAPA brand, the third was a Phillips (lasted two weeks). None were discolored and appeared fine at first glance. But tonight I turned the last bulb upside down and noticed a tiny spring fragment slide up from the bottom, suggesting vibration has been the culprit. Any particular brand of bulb that works well on a Brit bike? Any other suggestions or solutions? Thanks.


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#58570 - 12/20/07 1:59 am Re: H-4 headlamp bulbs  
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This may help but I'm not sure. I have bought a couple (to have a spare) H4s from Mike's XS for my Bonneville. The XS Yamas are vibrators too, so I figured that I would take a chance on these parts. So far these H4s, which are reasonably priced, are standing up to the "good vibrations" of my T140.


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#58571 - 12/20/07 11:20 am Re: H-4 headlamp bulbs  
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Hi FL
I've had pretty good luck with NAPA H4 bulbs. But I've always asked for motorcycle bulbs. A heavier filament, I suppose? They do finally succumb to the vibes, but I can usually get a season out of them.
Mike

#58572 - 12/20/07 1:22 pm Re: H-4 headlamp bulbs  
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Perfect suggestion that I hadn't even considered. Silly me. Thanks.


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#58573 - 12/20/07 2:27 pm Re: H-4 headlamp bulbs  
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They are not cheap, but I have a PIAA bulb on my daily ride (68 Lightning) that is at least 3 years old. I was getting 1 year (barely) out of a bulb before that. So, IME, it is worth the extra money.


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#58574 - 12/20/07 3:31 pm Re: H-4 headlamp bulbs  
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tr6 try this:: 67697-81 or 67074-02 HD part #s the -02 is a xenon gas briter but same current draw as the -81 been using these in the old brit jalopy's for years with good results 18&21$$$$ at your local dealer

#58575 - 12/20/07 5:42 pm Re: H-4 headlamp bulbs  
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Thanks very much guys. RICH, found PIAA on the web but they seem to be available only in 55/60 watts. Was very impressed that they put out far more light than the wattage indicates. I do have a new alternator/Tympanium but was still worried about excessive current draw as per posts on the Triumph forum. $53 for a twin-pack (ouch) plus shipping does seem expensive, but they may well be worth the price (and then some) given the bulbs I'm blowing, plus a $51 Christmas present from a state trooper.

For now I'm gonna try to locally get one of bulbs suggested by Bodine-- thanks a lot for the part numbers-- big help. Thanks again to both of you and Merry Christmas.


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#58576 - 12/20/07 6:06 pm Re: H-4 headlamp bulbs  
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How stupid. Got out the magnifier and read the very tiny print on the burned out bulbs: each was 60/55 watts. No alternator issue using them.


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#58577 - 12/20/07 6:08 pm Re: H-4 headlamp bulbs  
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hi..you can get 35 watt H4s from Bike Bandit..i'ved had one in my bonneville for over 18 months with no problem..also..if your bike can handle it look on eBay for xenon/krypton motorcycle headlights.there's a company...i forget the name ...that sells them especially for bikes and snowmobiles..they are around $13 for two...they are bright,,i put one in my Honda Aero and you can tell people see you coming..a really intense blue/white light 55 watts i think


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#58578 - 12/20/07 8:30 pm Re: H-4 headlamp bulbs  
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FLTR6,

I run a 55/60 on a stock alterator with no problem unless I sit in traffic idling for more than 5 minutes. Current bulb is 2-1/2 years old and it survived a wreck. Could it be that either your headlight socket, reflector or headlamp are loose, causing the bulb to rattle around? Most H4 reflectors don't seem to fit in the headlight rim very tightly (often, they rotate around on their own. I slice a 3/4" wide ring from an old inner tube and stretch it around the reflector, which keeps it from rotating and rattling around.


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#58579 - 12/21/07 12:10 pm Re: H-4 headlamp bulbs  
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I used to get only 300 miles out of my "dip" filament on H4 becuase I ride with the dipped headlight on in daylight. I then found a HEAVY DUTY H4 designed for off-road car use. It was great and it gave at least 10 times the mileage. But then they seemed to stop doing them but they were available wholesale. So I bought 200 quids worth (minimum order quantity) which was about 80 bulbs. That should see me out! I might be in the market but postage and packing would be an issue as well as warranty as they are now about 5 years old!


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#58580 - 12/21/07 12:32 pm Re: H-4 headlamp bulbs  
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I read on a manufacturers [I think] site one time that halogen globes do not like low supply voltage, that would seem another good reason to look into Richard Whatley's grounding mods.


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#58581 - 12/21/07 2:12 pm Re: H-4 headlamp bulbs  
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Alex: Neat idea-- am off to bicycle store to get an old intertube. I'm put thin rubber grommets (Ace Hardware) on either side of the bolts on the headlight ears, hopefully to further reduce vibration. But if it is a low voltage problem (Tiger), I've got more work to do. Yesterday, I carefully bubble wrapped a spare H-4 and put it inside the headlight shell, just in case. The young bull-necked State Trooper who on Monday wrote me a daylight no-headlight ticket initially treated me as if I was an escaped convict, then after writing and handing me the ticket, told me he admired "what you old guys do with these old bikes" and then told several stories about riding on the back of his dad's old Triumph. He even shook my hand before he left. For a moment there I was kinda thinking he might tear up the ticket-- yeah, right, when pigs fly.


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#58582 - 12/21/07 2:52 pm Re: H-4 headlamp bulbs  
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Florida TR6, I run a 30/35 halogen headlight bulb, but also inside the bowl and permanantly "on with ignition" is a 22 w indicator bulb for a modern Italian scooter.
They come in the small bayonet fitting (1/4") Lucas liked so much. Even if the H4 bulb pops off, you will still have the 22w "pilot" shining away. Out of interest how much did your traffic ticket cost you?

The little snotty nosed British police end to shy away from Britbikes because they are older than THEY are and don't like appearing "dumb", very rare to be bothered by the "bizzies"


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#58583 - 12/21/07 3:39 pm Re: H-4 headlamp bulbs  
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Andrew: $51 plus two points on FL driving record if not verified as fixed within 30 days. Headlights are mandatory on motorcycles day and night in FL. Lucky you re: attitude of police... the local cops (Sherrif's Dept.) here seem to be O.K. and will cut some slack to motorcyclists. But at least some State Troopers (Highway Patrol-- but patrol on 2-lane roads down here) go strictly by the book -- last month a couple fellow riders (both on Harleys) got nailed in separate incidents by troopers -- one for running open pipes, the other for 41 in a 35 mph zone. That's getting a bit picky.


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#58584 - 12/21/07 9:21 pm Re: H-4 headlamp bulbs  
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Recently got a deal on 10 off Phillips "Vision Plus" 55/60 H4 with an LED flashlight for $AU80.00 at our auto elec wholesaler, you walk into a "Shell Shop" here and the buggers get into you for $22.00 for one lower quality globe mad
Front wheel out of balance can also shake globes to death.
Andrew, you really have to get sensitive and realise that all those Gyppos actually own your stuff, the govt is just letting you use it at the moment.
I may suggest that a "Five Year Plan" be instigated to alleviate balance of trade issues by digging up the playing fields of Eton to plant various smelly things that Gyppos like to eat.
Sport is competitive and therefore discriminatory in any case.


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#58585 - 12/22/07 9:39 am Re: H-4 headlamp bulbs  
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Hey, the globes that I sell in MY Shell shop are guaranteed to get you off the forecourt at like 7 each. I just get loads of "freebies" when I visit car breaker yards, although I did BUY (yup, with real money) the 30/35w thats in there now eek


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#58586 - 12/22/07 9:54 pm Re: H-4 headlamp bulbs  
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Just found the failure diagnosis section in a Phillips brochure, low voltage failure with a halogen is indicated by blackened glass, air leak is white/yellow frosting.
If yours are showing neither I reckon failures are down to vibration.
Phillips apparently do a vibe/shock resistant globe, signified by a red dot on side of base and "HD" in the part number.


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#58588 - 12/23/07 10:28 am Re: H-4 headlamp bulbs  
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Have never had an H4 bulb fail in any car or bike I used them in..(olde British ES2 and Norton twins many years ago). HOWEVER I do wire my bikes myself and there is always an 1/4" or similat bolt in the headlamp shell forming a main earth point which is actually making electrical contact with the shell and which is connected to the main earth bolt on the frame(Also actually making electrical contact with the frame, the battary being connrcted to the earth point with a lump of 40 x 0.0076 via a lump of say 70 x 0.0076" or similar (Or whatever todays equiv is) Plus I use small car type relays to switch the power to the headlights so the switches only carry the power to switch the relays plus there is mounted within the headlamp shell a flexible choc block that is coupled direct to the battary via a nice big lump of amp carrying wire(with all connectors on one side coupled together thus giving me lots of connection points for the switches for indicators horn ignition etc ) so that there is no voilt drop to speak of between the battary and the relays supplying the main beams and thus the main bulb.(and horn etc).
Of course I do remember the comment contained within a 1980 thesis conducted to determine the suitability of a belt for primary drive using a T140 in which it was stated that whilst it was not part of any conclusions or testing it was interesting to note that during the period of testing no bulbs had failed!!!(the testing had shown a reduction in vibes at all revs using a belt).
I thus suspect its a case of vibes and crappy earth returns... the crappy earth returns being something not just limited to motorcycles in my experience!! 'But that radar above deck section is bolted to the main deck'......'Yes and its seperated by gunge to stop water ingressand dissimilar metal corrosion in the joint and the bolts are all sitting on very well anti sea water painted metal plus each bolt was coated in duralac before being fitted'.'Oh so we are going to have to install an earth return' And thus another expensive modification is borne, paid for by the tax payer. Of course had the company not sacked/severenced all the olde farts who knew about silly little things like how important earth returns are instead of employed bright young tigers straight out of Uni who knew less than bugger all about such things having not been through the learning curve that leads to becoming an olde fart......

#58589 - 12/23/07 12:40 pm Re: H-4 headlamp bulbs  
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Old Tigers know better bigt
The young ones build Frigate superstructures from ally and don't they burn well when struck by a missile ?


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#58590 - 12/23/07 1:19 pm Re: H-4 headlamp bulbs  
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TR, i don't know what hedlight shell you have, but my tr6c has the little one, and i long ago swapped the Lucas internals out and just use the small dual beam sealed beam halogen headlight. Originally back in the 70's it was just so i could buy a new bulb anywhere along the Melbourne to Miami weekend run. i find the halogen sealed beams last almost forever for me. May be coincidence, but bulbs started lasting longer when i took off the turn signals that hung off the headlight. maybe that reduced the vibrations


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