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Re: A65 Alloy barrel [Re: JER.Hill] #547251
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I guess 80 mm pistons are 79 mm + 0.40 oversize ?

Here is a JP Australia B44 high compression piston http://www.classic-motorcycles.co.uk/cgi-bin/ecom.cgi?Command=ShowProduct&db_pid=5600

And here is a JP Australia B40 high compression piston http://www.classic-motorcycles.co.uk/cgi-bin/ecom.cgi?Command=ShowProduct&db_pid=4266

Can any of these be used ?
(Never mind the pictures, they are not of the actual piston.
They probably look like this



Someone was not happy with JP Pistons http://www.b50.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3439

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Re: A65 Alloy barrel [Re: JER.Hill] #547257
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I've used the B44 pistons and they were fine. The problem I had was with the 89mmstroke crank I use and where the piston skirt is. The skirt was coming out the bottom of the cyl and not being supported properly, ended up cracking a liner I was using then. I now use Ed V forged B44 pistons which are shorter and have the skirt higher staying in the bore at BDC and are higher spec as is the ring pack and in my opinion represent excellent value. Anyone building a long stroke motor needs to be aware.


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Re: A65 Alloy barrel [Re: JER.Hill] #548874
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Hi Folks,

I'm just bumping this thread hoping to get enough interest for John to make another batch of cylinders (so I can buy another.) I bought one with an 80mm bore. I've not use it yet as I'm waiting for my bush conversion to be completed.

These cylinders are art. Every few days I get mine out & just admire it.


Ray Elliott
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Re: A65 Alloy barrel [Re: Ray Elliott] #548891
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Originally Posted By: Ray Elliott
Hi Folks,

These cylinders are art. Every few days I get mine out & just admire it.


art indeed, wating for a crankshaft

so I put them on my desk in my office

regards A

Re: A65 Alloy barrel [Re: Svein Hanssen] #548972
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Originally Posted By: S.Hanssen
I guess 80 mm pistons are 79 mm + 0.40 oversize ?

Here is a JP Australia B44 high compression piston http://www.classic-motorcycles.co.uk/cgi-bin/ecom.cgi?Command=ShowProduct&db_pid=5600

And here is a JP Australia B40 high compression piston http://www.classic-motorcycles.co.uk/cgi-bin/ecom.cgi?Command=ShowProduct&db_pid=4266

Can any of these be used ?
(Never mind the pictures, they are not of the actual piston.
They probably look like this



Someone was not happy with JP Pistons http://www.b50.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3439


I wouldn't use the JP b40 piston for the simple fact there are lighter cannon balls!!!

The JE pistons from Ed are excellent with low expansion (forged not cast) and very light in weight which is good on vibration and better for the engine and acceleration.


beerchug
Re: A65 Alloy barrel [Re: JER.Hill] #549066
06/18/14 1:43 am
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Hi

While I have never come across a JP piston before, but from some of the earlier link comments it doesn't sound like I should be in a rush to either.

Please ensure that your not getting mixed-up with JP pistons and the JE pistons which Ed V sells, they are NOT the same, as Allan said the JP pistons are CAST while the JE pistons are FORGED and high quality. The JE pistons I do know and are very good.

In answer to Allan's question. You can use a B40 piston to obtain a big bore A65, if you were just looking to use it in a road bike where your not going to be giving it a hard time. This is something I've explained earlier in this thread. Should anyone want information on the various configurations that the Alloy barrel can be made to suit, drop me an e-mail at johnhill12@aol.com or call me on +44 7802 500325.

regards

John

Re: A65 Alloy barrel [Re: JER.Hill] #550253
06/27/14 1:14 am
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Hi

I've had a note from Ed V that he has received his first batch of JE B40 80mm pistons. Thus giving you the option of running a high quality forged piston.

At present I have a batch of 10 barrel castings ready for machining, to date I have names against three. If your looking to shed 6kg from your engine, increase the capacity and get a tighter piston to bore clearance either e-mail me johnhill12@aol.com or call me on 07802 500325 for further information.

regards

John

Re: A65 Alloy barrel [Re: JER.Hill] #553463
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Hi

I shall be machining a batch of 10 barrel castings towards the end of next week, to date I have names against six. These will be big bore, so if your looking to shed 6kg from your engine, increase the capacity and get a tighter piston to bore clearance, then there are four up for grabs.

These should be available for delivery in one Month. What I'd need to know is the stroke if not standard and I will require a piston prior to sending for Nikasil coating. To order either e-mail me johnhill12@aol.com or call me on 07802 500325 for further information.

regards

John

Re: A65 Alloy barrel [Re: JER.Hill] #556603
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Hi

Update. Only three up for grabs now.

John

Re: A65 Alloy barrel [Re: JER.Hill] #559290
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A very interesting and tempting thread John.
Beautiful workmanship.
I'm simply amazed at what's available for all the British bikes these days.
I've only just bought a MK II Spitfire that won't be in Australia until November or December.
And before I look at big bore barrels, I'd have to do the needle roller conversion.
But then it begs the question of what crank to use and all the possibilities that your barrels then add to the equation.
It's too soon for me to get really serious, but just wanted to let you know it's something I'd be very interested in once I've seen what I've bought.
Cheers John


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Re: A65 Alloy barrel [Re: JER.Hill] #559343
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Hi John

Thanks for your comments and good luck with the Spitfire when it arrives. If you have any further questions or looking for information feel free to drop me an e-mail.

John

Re: A65 Alloy barrel [Re: JER.Hill] #563300
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Hi

As were now into mid September and people are starting to think of winter re-builds. Increase the cc's and reduce the engine weight by 6kg. If there is enough interest in my alloy barrel I can have another batch cast up.

e-mail me on johnhill12@aol.com or call 07802 500325 for further information or if you have any questions.

regards

John

Re: A65 Alloy barrel [Re: JER.Hill] #565631
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Hi Guy's

Well in 15 days since my last post here and there have been 1001 hits. So looks like a few of you are maybe thinking about it!
Although the only call I had since the last post, was a guy looking for an A10 barrel.

Anyway, I'm not go and cast another batch of barrels, based only on people looking at the post. If people with a serious interest get in touch either by an e-mail, call (details above) or post/PM on here, then we'll see if we can still get a batch cast, machined and coated before the Christmas holiday period. In time for a winter re-build.

regards

John

Re: A65 Alloy barrel [Re: JER.Hill] #568406
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Hi

I've decided to go ahead and have another 20 barrel castings done, I'm not going to receive them until beginning of December. So there is no way any of these will be ready until into next year.

There are still a few to suit 74mm stroke with B44 pistons which need coated, along with a few to suit longer stroke engines, these need some machining and coating.

contact details are still the same e-mail johnhill12@aol.com or 07802 500325.

Re: A65 Alloy barrel [Re: JER.Hill] #570940
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Hi

An update for you. Seven of the new batch are spoken for.

regards

John

Re: A65 Alloy barrel [Re: JER.Hill] #578088
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Hi

Look what I got for christmas. 20 new castings ready for the machine shop in January. Give your A65 a new year diet and shed 6kg, anyone interested then drop me an e-mail at johnhill12@aol.com or call me on 07802 500325.

http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t565/ecosse_lynx/Newcastings_zps1a46b026.jpg?t=1419491758

regards

John

Re: A65 Alloy barrel [Re: JER.Hill] #580572
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Hello JER.Hill

What clutch set-up are you using I noticed what looked to be a late model Japanese 6 spring alloy plate also could not ID the charging assy.?

Thank You


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Re: A65 Alloy barrel [Re: JER.Hill] #580712
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Hi

In answer to your questions. The clutch was an old Suzuki GT750 I had laying around and modified it to go with an alloy chain wheel, 2kg lighter than the standard set-up and doesn't wobble around when disengaged. Just a little engineering exercise to see if it would work.

The generator is actually a lighting and self generating ignition system which I got from Electrex World.

regards

John

Re: A65 Alloy barrel [Re: JER.Hill] #580788
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Any idea of the ignition advance curve with the electrex setup? I'm looking at fitting one to my next engine. That or a Joe Hunt magneto


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Re: A65 Alloy barrel [Re: JER.Hill] #580815
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Hi Allan

Sorry I don't it was just for my test bike and works well, but if you give Peter a call at Electrex he'll be able to tell you. You could go for a Power-arc ignition system then you can play with it yourself on the lap-top.

Personally I never fancied hanging a mag way out there on a solo (maybe not so bad on an outfit). Years ago I did actually dummy-up a K2F at the back engine, using a cut down old mag carrier from a blown Triumph casing welded to the inner timing cover and was using a toothed belt for drive. Also in the 70's a lad used to race an A65 with a mag mounted above the front engine mounting with a chain drive.

regards

John

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Thank You JER.HILL:

I just have the stock crappy 3 spring setup and am considering upgrading to an alloy 4 spring assembly with an roller bearing inspection door.


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Hi

Unfortunately while replacing the clutch centre with the four spring version and adding an alloy pressure plate c/w thrust bearing should improve thing a little. It will not correct the inherant design issues.

The springs pressure is the only thing that keeps it all running together inline, pull in the clutch leaver and chain wheel wants to wobble around, the chain wheel running on a small width rollers which are offset to the chain wheel centre line is another disadvantage.

The clutch does work when set-up correctly, that's as much as I'm going to talk it up.

John

Re: A65 Alloy barrel [Re: JER.Hill] #582606
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Just a quick note about JP pistons made in Australia.
The rings don't bed in very well.
I fitted 1 to a friends B44 & had the crank balanced to suit.
After 40,000 kms it was still smoking.
Luckily i sourced a AGP (i think, it was a while ago) next size up & by swapping wrist pins about it came to the same weight so no rebalance needed. After a rebore by the same engineer it bedded in no problem & still doesn't smoke 100,000kms later.


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Re: A65 Alloy barrel [Re: JER.Hill] #582650
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JP pistons are a low volume outfit, they use a blank as the basis for a number of different pistons which leads to all but one of the types being overweight. That plus their useless rings and tendency to miss machining ops makes them the last source you should consider.

Re: A65 Alloy barrel [Re: JER.Hill] #582663
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The retail on them isn't cheap either, I was looking at some MAP Pistons for a friends A65, they worked out at around 73 with the postage from USA. I'd buy them right away if they did them in low CR (7.5:1)


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