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#545222 - 05/25/14 8:29 pm Re: A65 Alloy barrel [Re: JER.Hill]  
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Thanks!

It will anyway be a winter project so I could as well change the base studs when spending time and money on the bike.

I always believed that bigger bore made higher CR as the cylinder volume that will be compressed is higher, relative to the combustion chamber in the head which still has the same volume as the smaller bore engine.
Of course the piston shape also matters for the CR as few pistons have a flat top.

Anyway E&V has 76,5 mm A65 pistons with 9.2:1 CR, giving 671cc, if I am correct ?
I guess that is the easy way, not dealing with any unknown factors. And keeping the 5/16 base studs. smile

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#545241 - 05/25/14 11:45 pm Re: A65 Alloy barrel [Re: JER.Hill]  
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Hi

If its to be a winter project, then changing the base studs and going for the big bore would be the logical way to go, as you get the extra cc.

Once you figure out which way you want to go, or if you have any other question you can contact me direct by e-mail on johnhill12@aol.com or my mobile number is +44 (0)7082 500325.

regards

John

#547160 - 06/06/14 6:16 am Re: A65 Alloy barrel [Re: Svein Hanssen]  
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This post has gone a bit quiet so I'll wake it up with a heartfelt thanks to John Hill. I've bought a set of barrels from him and from the initial inquiry and tech questions/advice through to delivery the bloke was first class.
The bloke even refunded a few quid I overpaid on postage - so he's obviously not in it to pull money off you.
I bought the ED V 80mm pistons, off the shelf, and John prepped the barrels to suit, fitted perfect.
The quality of the barrels, casting / machine work, is first class and when you compare them weight wise with a standard set the weight saving is major.
These barrels are for a back seat project and won't be seeing action for at least 6 months but I'm already looking forward to it.
Quality opportunities like this are few and far between for our old bikes and so I would urge all you A65/A50 boys who fancy a big bore / weight saving upgrade, plus with a variety of personal specs available and a very reasonable cost, to get in there while you've got the option. These won't be around forever and in a few years you'll be paying through the nose for these, if you can find any.

#547251 - 06/06/14 7:24 pm Re: A65 Alloy barrel [Re: JER.Hill]  
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I guess 80 mm pistons are 79 mm + 0.40 oversize ?

Here is a JP Australia B44 high compression piston http://www.classic-motorcycles.co.uk/cgi-bin/ecom.cgi?Command=ShowProduct&db_pid=5600

And here is a JP Australia B40 high compression piston http://www.classic-motorcycles.co.uk/cgi-bin/ecom.cgi?Command=ShowProduct&db_pid=4266

Can any of these be used ?
(Never mind the pictures, they are not of the actual piston.
They probably look like this



Someone was not happy with JP Pistons http://www.b50.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3439

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#547257 - 06/06/14 8:08 pm Re: A65 Alloy barrel [Re: JER.Hill]  
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I've used the B44 pistons and they were fine. The problem I had was with the 89mmstroke crank I use and where the piston skirt is. The skirt was coming out the bottom of the cyl and not being supported properly, ended up cracking a liner I was using then. I now use Ed V forged B44 pistons which are shorter and have the skirt higher staying in the bore at BDC and are higher spec as is the ring pack and in my opinion represent excellent value. Anyone building a long stroke motor needs to be aware.


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#548874 - 06/16/14 10:57 pm Re: A65 Alloy barrel [Re: JER.Hill]  
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Hi Folks,

I'm just bumping this thread hoping to get enough interest for John to make another batch of cylinders (so I can buy another.) I bought one with an 80mm bore. I've not use it yet as I'm waiting for my bush conversion to be completed.

These cylinders are art. Every few days I get mine out & just admire it.


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#548891 - 06/17/14 4:20 am Re: A65 Alloy barrel [Re: Ray Elliott]  
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Originally Posted By: Ray Elliott
Hi Folks,

These cylinders are art. Every few days I get mine out & just admire it.


art indeed, wating for a crankshaft

so I put them on my desk in my office

regards A

#548972 - 06/17/14 4:03 pm Re: A65 Alloy barrel [Re: Svein Hanssen]  
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Originally Posted By: S.Hanssen
I guess 80 mm pistons are 79 mm + 0.40 oversize ?

Here is a JP Australia B44 high compression piston http://www.classic-motorcycles.co.uk/cgi-bin/ecom.cgi?Command=ShowProduct&db_pid=5600

And here is a JP Australia B40 high compression piston http://www.classic-motorcycles.co.uk/cgi-bin/ecom.cgi?Command=ShowProduct&db_pid=4266

Can any of these be used ?
(Never mind the pictures, they are not of the actual piston.
They probably look like this



Someone was not happy with JP Pistons http://www.b50.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3439


I wouldn't use the JP b40 piston for the simple fact there are lighter cannon balls!!!

The JE pistons from Ed are excellent with low expansion (forged not cast) and very light in weight which is good on vibration and better for the engine and acceleration.


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#549066 - 06/18/14 1:43 am Re: A65 Alloy barrel [Re: JER.Hill]  
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Hi

While I have never come across a JP piston before, but from some of the earlier link comments it doesn't sound like I should be in a rush to either.

Please ensure that your not getting mixed-up with JP pistons and the JE pistons which Ed V sells, they are NOT the same, as Allan said the JP pistons are CAST while the JE pistons are FORGED and high quality. The JE pistons I do know and are very good.

In answer to Allan's question. You can use a B40 piston to obtain a big bore A65, if you were just looking to use it in a road bike where your not going to be giving it a hard time. This is something I've explained earlier in this thread. Should anyone want information on the various configurations that the Alloy barrel can be made to suit, drop me an e-mail at johnhill12@aol.com or call me on +44 7802 500325.

regards

John

#550253 - 06/27/14 1:14 am Re: A65 Alloy barrel [Re: JER.Hill]  
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Hi

I've had a note from Ed V that he has received his first batch of JE B40 80mm pistons. Thus giving you the option of running a high quality forged piston.

At present I have a batch of 10 barrel castings ready for machining, to date I have names against three. If your looking to shed 6kg from your engine, increase the capacity and get a tighter piston to bore clearance either e-mail me johnhill12@aol.com or call me on 07802 500325 for further information.

regards

John

#553463 - 07/18/14 4:29 am Re: A65 Alloy barrel [Re: JER.Hill]  
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Hi

I shall be machining a batch of 10 barrel castings towards the end of next week, to date I have names against six. These will be big bore, so if your looking to shed 6kg from your engine, increase the capacity and get a tighter piston to bore clearance, then there are four up for grabs.

These should be available for delivery in one Month. What I'd need to know is the stroke if not standard and I will require a piston prior to sending for Nikasil coating. To order either e-mail me johnhill12@aol.com or call me on 07802 500325 for further information.

regards

John

#556603 - 08/04/14 12:24 pm Re: A65 Alloy barrel [Re: JER.Hill]  
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Hi

Update. Only three up for grabs now.

John

#559290 - 08/21/14 9:02 am Re: A65 Alloy barrel [Re: JER.Hill]  
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A very interesting and tempting thread John.
Beautiful workmanship.
I'm simply amazed at what's available for all the British bikes these days.
I've only just bought a MK II Spitfire that won't be in Australia until November or December.
And before I look at big bore barrels, I'd have to do the needle roller conversion.
But then it begs the question of what crank to use and all the possibilities that your barrels then add to the equation.
It's too soon for me to get really serious, but just wanted to let you know it's something I'd be very interested in once I've seen what I've bought.
Cheers John


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#559343 - 08/21/14 2:01 pm Re: A65 Alloy barrel [Re: JER.Hill]  
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Hi John

Thanks for your comments and good luck with the Spitfire when it arrives. If you have any further questions or looking for information feel free to drop me an e-mail.

John

#563300 - 09/15/14 3:39 am Re: A65 Alloy barrel [Re: JER.Hill]  
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Hi

As were now into mid September and people are starting to think of winter re-builds. Increase the cc's and reduce the engine weight by 6kg. If there is enough interest in my alloy barrel I can have another batch cast up.

e-mail me on johnhill12@aol.com or call 07802 500325 for further information or if you have any questions.

regards

John

#565631 - 09/30/14 2:06 pm Re: A65 Alloy barrel [Re: JER.Hill]  
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Hi Guy's

Well in 15 days since my last post here and there have been 1001 hits. So looks like a few of you are maybe thinking about it!
Although the only call I had since the last post, was a guy looking for an A10 barrel.

Anyway, I'm not go and cast another batch of barrels, based only on people looking at the post. If people with a serious interest get in touch either by an e-mail, call (details above) or post/PM on here, then we'll see if we can still get a batch cast, machined and coated before the Christmas holiday period. In time for a winter re-build.

regards

John

#568406 - 10/20/14 7:09 am Re: A65 Alloy barrel [Re: JER.Hill]  
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Hi

I've decided to go ahead and have another 20 barrel castings done, I'm not going to receive them until beginning of December. So there is no way any of these will be ready until into next year.

There are still a few to suit 74mm stroke with B44 pistons which need coated, along with a few to suit longer stroke engines, these need some machining and coating.

contact details are still the same e-mail johnhill12@aol.com or 07802 500325.

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Hi

An update for you. Seven of the new batch are spoken for.

regards

John

#578088 - 12/26/14 3:27 am Re: A65 Alloy barrel [Re: JER.Hill]  
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Hi

Look what I got for christmas. 20 new castings ready for the machine shop in January. Give your A65 a new year diet and shed 6kg, anyone interested then drop me an e-mail at johnhill12@aol.com or call me on 07802 500325.

http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t565/ecosse_lynx/Newcastings_zps1a46b026.jpg?t=1419491758

regards

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#580572 - 01/12/15 2:10 pm Re: A65 Alloy barrel [Re: JER.Hill]  
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Hello JER.Hill

What clutch set-up are you using I noticed what looked to be a late model Japanese 6 spring alloy plate also could not ID the charging assy.?

Thank You


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#580712 - 01/13/15 5:46 am Re: A65 Alloy barrel [Re: JER.Hill]  
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Hi

In answer to your questions. The clutch was an old Suzuki GT750 I had laying around and modified it to go with an alloy chain wheel, 2kg lighter than the standard set-up and doesn't wobble around when disengaged. Just a little engineering exercise to see if it would work.

The generator is actually a lighting and self generating ignition system which I got from Electrex World.

regards

John

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Any idea of the ignition advance curve with the electrex setup? I'm looking at fitting one to my next engine. That or a Joe Hunt magneto


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Hi Allan

Sorry I don't it was just for my test bike and works well, but if you give Peter a call at Electrex he'll be able to tell you. You could go for a Power-arc ignition system then you can play with it yourself on the lap-top.

Personally I never fancied hanging a mag way out there on a solo (maybe not so bad on an outfit). Years ago I did actually dummy-up a K2F at the back engine, using a cut down old mag carrier from a blown Triumph casing welded to the inner timing cover and was using a toothed belt for drive. Also in the 70's a lad used to race an A65 with a mag mounted above the front engine mounting with a chain drive.

regards

John

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Thank You JER.HILL:

I just have the stock crappy 3 spring setup and am considering upgrading to an alloy 4 spring assembly with an roller bearing inspection door.


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#582593 - 01/25/15 5:11 am Re: A65 Alloy barrel [Re: JER.Hill]  
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Hi

Unfortunately while replacing the clutch centre with the four spring version and adding an alloy pressure plate c/w thrust bearing should improve thing a little. It will not correct the inherant design issues.

The springs pressure is the only thing that keeps it all running together inline, pull in the clutch leaver and chain wheel wants to wobble around, the chain wheel running on a small width rollers which are offset to the chain wheel centre line is another disadvantage.

The clutch does work when set-up correctly, that's as much as I'm going to talk it up.

John

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