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#573537 - 11/23/14 5:04 pm Re: 1953 BB 2 gallon tank - knee-grips? chrome? [Re: Endo]  
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The rear fender is a c-section Clubman style fender. They used one year only braces although Clubman braces might be easier to get. The fender was also longer in the front where it went around past the swingarm pivot and mounted to a brace behind the gearbox. Compare rear fender and braces with later scrambler type fenders on my BB in previous post.

Note the oil tank, you can just barely see the cap that hwas a type that was like the one on the fuel tank except smaller.

Afaict, those are fat adjustable Girling shocks, I think some may have come with Armstrongs.

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#573596 - 11/24/14 3:36 am Re: 1953 BB 2 gallon tank - knee-grips? chrome? [Re: Endo]  
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Endo,

Let's see if we can get a little closer, sometimes things can get a little pixelated though.


#573625 - 11/24/14 10:01 am Re: 1953 BB 2 gallon tank - knee-grips? chrome? [Re: Endo]  
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Hi JinKC,

Many thanks for the zoom version. What a lovely leg!

Sadly, back on Earth... Thanks Boomer, I agree, it looks like a C-section guard and fat-Gs allright. I'll be sure to heed your tip re the front end of the guard. The number plate appears to be a non-faired open type and I recall that the same part number was used on some Bantam competition models. I have a set of the early braces on another machine so can get those copied without mishap hopefully.

I wonder if that edition (December 1953) of Motorcyclist carried a feature on the BB machine or whether it was simply used as cover-bait for red-blooded males?
Thanks for all the comments / help.

#573640 - 11/24/14 11:05 am Re: 1953 BB 2 gallon tank - knee-grips? chrome? [Re: Endo]  
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Sorry, strictly a cheesecake/cover shot.

I can however tell you who the leg belonged to, Miss Barbara Wilson of Arcadia, California.

#574022 - 11/26/14 10:34 am Re: 1953 BB 2 gallon tank - knee-grips? chrome? [Re: Endo]  
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JinKC,

A gentleman would not ask how you know this detail of course....

..but presumably a caption on the inside page? or maybe a nugget to share? Out of interest I did a quick Google search to see if it threw up Barbara as an icon of the 1950s but no joy on that score.

All the best.

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..and she'd be in her 80's now!


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#574045 - 11/26/14 12:59 pm Re: 1953 BB 2 gallon tank - knee-grips? chrome? [Re: Endo]  
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This is an ad for '54 but it looks like the BB32A frame. BB engine and the rear swingarm has the open end for the axle, distinctive of the BB32A frame. An artist's rendition so maybe some liberties were taken. Also 4 gal tank.





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#574048 - 11/26/14 1:09 pm Re: 1953 BB 2 gallon tank - knee-grips? chrome? [Re: Endo]  
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Endo, here is a picture of the later scrambler fender on top and an NOS Clubman fender on the bottom. It shows the different radius and the longer front of the Clubman fender.





And this shot shows the different rear fender braces. The shorter one being the Clubman brace.





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#574056 - 11/26/14 1:58 pm Re: 1953 BB 2 gallon tank - knee-grips? chrome? [Re: Endo]  
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Boomer,
Great pics, thanks! The first pic I've seen showing a 'Clubman/Touring' BB34 in the USA. Even more curious is that the BB32A frame/ swing-arm appears to be combined with long rear mudguard stays. My late 1953 BB34 + CB32 frame has the early short stays as per your picture. Maybe the bike in the press shot was an old-stock with up-graded mudguard & stays? I doubt they would have bothered though, curious it is.

For clarification, are you saying that the pictured Clubman longer guard was used on both the BB32A frames and the CB32 frames when combined with the 4-gallon tank (ie Clubman and Touring)? And then the scrambles short mudguard used with 2-gallon tank configurations? I hope I'm not labouring the point/ question too much... but would like to get it right.

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ps. Kerry - maybe I'm in my 90s laugh

#574064 - 11/26/14 3:12 pm Re: 1953 BB 2 gallon tank - knee-grips? chrome? [Re: Endo]  
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As I said in the caption on the first picture, "An artist rendition....". So liberties have definitely been taken, in other words, it's not a picture but a drawing. My point was that the ad says for 1954 but shows what an artist has drawn looks like a '53 BB32A framed BB34GS.

Remember now that the US saw very few true Clubman Gold Stars. What were sent here as road going Gold Stars were often referred to as "Roadsters", having scrambler style fenders, forward footrests, Western bars, and usually a 2 gallon tank. An old BSA dealer, from '47 to '72, in Portland told me once that they, partner Roy Burke, (goggle AMA hall of fame Roy Burke), never sold one "Clubman" out of their BSA dealership.

AFAIK, the 4 gal tank usually came on the "Roadsters" or "Clubmans" but they could also have been fitted with a 2 gal tank. Also, I don't think there were any purpose built BB32A framed Gold Star Scramblers.


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Re: rear mudguard stays

In checking my 53, I found the rear stays use a 1/4" as opposed to a 5/16" bolt to attach to the frame bracket. Comparing the part numbers between the 53 and 54 parts book confirms this. They are also about an inch shorter than the later clubman stays.

#574143 - 11/26/14 11:47 pm Re: 1953 BB 2 gallon tank - knee-grips? chrome? [Re: BritTwit]  
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Originally Posted By: BritTwit
Re: rear mudguard stays

In checking my 53, I found the rear stays use a 1/4" as opposed to a 5/16" bolt to attach to the frame bracket. Comparing the part numbers between the 53 and 54 parts book confirms this. They are also about an inch shorter than the later clubman stays.


Which shows that the BB34 with the BB32A frame probably used a different rear fender that would be near impossible to find. I would think one could use the Clubman fender and braces that are currently available and have a very close look.


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#574159 - 11/27/14 6:42 am Re: 1953 BB 2 gallon tank - knee-grips? chrome? [Re: Boomer]  
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Just to muddy the waters. A French ad



Taken from Gollands Goldstar book below.




I have some other pictures of BB's as I need some ideas to rebuild mine

#574198 - 11/27/14 4:15 pm Re: 1953 BB 2 gallon tank - knee-grips? chrome? [Re: Seamus]  
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Originally Posted By: Seamus





Taken from Gollands Goldstar book below.







I have often looked at this picture and wondered about the fender braces front and rear. A good example of an "artists rendition".


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#574205 - 11/27/14 4:54 pm Re: 1953 BB 2 gallon tank - knee-grips? chrome? [Re: Endo]  
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I just checked my 53 CB32 / BB34 combo which still has its factory guard & stays. It has the 1/4" bracket holes and the mudguard is just like Boomer's NOS Clubman guard (with swing-arm 'depression' ) in combination with the L-bracket. However, the 49-53 spares list doesn't show a swing-arm 'depression' for the Clubman guard and neither does the the 53-54 B-group spares list.. artist oversight?

Nice images from Seamus, thanks. But, horror, I have just spotted another detail (in the above 53 picture) I previously missed - the centre front mudguard stay. In the picture (artist's impresssion, buyer beware? ) there seems to be a sheet metal stay that was bolted (or perhaps riveted like the plunger 'dorsal fin' bracket) to the mudguard. Anyone seen such a stay in a photograph or in reality?

Always more curiosity..

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Maybe it's just me, but I wouldn't be placing too much store in the accuracy of an artist's impression of what may have been a pre-production machine, not representative of what rolled out the door.


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#574247 - 11/28/14 1:27 am Re: 1953 BB 2 gallon tank - knee-grips? chrome? [Re: Kerry W]  
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I went through all the 1953 issues of Cycle to see if there might be photographs of BB Gold Stars in places other than BSA advertisements (all of which show them with plunger frames. Here's what I found:

March 1953 'Cycle'

Even though the above is of a "special" it still should be of interest.

June 1953 'Cycle'

Either they swapped the nobby tires for something more appropriate for checking out the course for the TT, or this has to be a stock bike in off road trim rolled out for the "unposed" photograph. The angle of this photograph nicely complements the one from 'Motorcyclist'.

#579113 - 01/02/15 5:39 pm Re: 1953 BB 2 gallon tank - knee-grips? chrome? [Re: Endo]  
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For those who might be interested I have added some additional information regarding the BB34GS shown early in this topic. Go to the earlier post.


1951 ZB GS
1953 BB GS
1953 Super Flash
1954 Vincent BS
1963 RGS
1974 Trident
1973 850 Commando
#579137 - 01/02/15 7:40 pm Re: 1953 BB 2 gallon tank - knee-grips? chrome? [Re: Endo]  
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bsalloyd: I went back to read your update. That makes some sense as the late 52 model year 5000 series ZB34GS engines were identical to the 53 BB engines. They only made about 175 of those separate rocker box engines so why not just re-stamp them as BB engines and sell them as such.

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#579140 - 01/02/15 8:28 pm Re: 1953 BB 2 gallon tank - knee-grips? chrome? [Re: Endo]  
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It's also not unknown for BSA to grind out and restamp something. This is the gearbox for my RGSS.





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#579147 - 01/02/15 8:56 pm Re: 1953 BB 2 gallon tank - knee-grips? chrome? [Re: Endo]  
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Boomer, did you dip that poor thing in cosmoline?


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#579153 - 01/02/15 10:06 pm Re: 1953 BB 2 gallon tank - knee-grips? chrome? [Re: Endo]  
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Ha, that's good old Brit oil and Oregon dirt. I figure it's as good as cosmoline. Actually that's the way I found it in Mark McCrackens old shop in Portland. Didn't realize it was an RGSS until I sent that picture to Ian Jackson to show him the unusual stamping. You know, the gearing for the ARRT and the ASCT is exactly the same. I think they put both stamps in and when they decided which bike it was going in, RGS or RGSS, they just ground out the other stamp. My RGS gearbox has the ARRT showing with the SC ground out.


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I have edited my original post of the 1953 BB plunger framed GS.Very interesting information from Ian Jackson GS registrar.


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