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Info on this bike-Wards Riverside/Benelli Mojave 3 #578748
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Warning: little or no Brit bike content; proceed with caution.

Can anyone tell me anything about this bike.
It's a 1968 Benelli/Wards Riverside Mojave 360 and allegedly has a metisse frame style.

I guess I am most interested in the frame design history.
Thanks
Al



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Re: Info on this bike-Wards Riverside/Benelli Mojave 3 [Re: Al Eckstadt] #578771
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Benelli would make anything for anybody. I've seen their bikes with Wards/Riverside, Sears Allstate, and even Harley Davidson. I had an early, '58 I think, one called a "Buccaneer" that was made for Premier Motors that had a 200 Sachs engine. The Mojave was a Rickman ripoff.


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Re: Info on this bike-Wards Riverside/Benelli Mojave 3 [Re: Al Eckstadt] #578776
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Bill, Do you think this bike has any redeeming qualities? The chassis? The engine? I find the frame and bodywork interesting.


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Re: Info on this bike-Wards Riverside/Benelli Mojave 3 [Re: Al Eckstadt] #578779
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The body work is pretty valuable for café racers, I had a extra unused set for my Mojave which eBayed for just under 600.00. I always liked the styling on these bikes, a lot different than the run of the mill Benelli Wards sold.

Re: Info on this bike-Wards Riverside/Benelli Mojave 3 [Re: Al Eckstadt] #578782
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The frame were developed (very similar styled) as Italian featherbed style frames (slimline) in 1966 or so. This was to be the 650 Tornado Frame (see prototype picture). The 650 PRODUCTION engines were not developed in time for the 1967 Milan (?) show, so Benelli put in a prototype engine into this new frame.

Frames were plentiful, engines were not, so Benelli stuffed the gutless 250/350cc engine into them and called them 260/360s.

Frames are very very heavily and very well made. Triumph 650s routinely get stuffed into them.

I put a Honda CM400 engine into one. Made the swingarm from 2 different ones....made a 2-1 intake and custom high pipes. Very reliable fun little bike; my Honelli 400.

you can see how the production benelli 650 is nothing like the prototype. completely different engine/frame.

Attached Files 650scorcher.jpgsmall.JPGus-tor-proto.jpg1973-Benelli-650S-Tornado-L-Side-550x412.jpgtrinelli2.jpg
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Re: Info on this bike-Wards Riverside/Benelli Mojave 3 [Re: Boomer] #578783
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Originally Posted By: Boomer
Benelli would make anything for anybody. I've seen their bikes with Wards/Riverside, Sears Allstate, and even Harley Davidson. I had an early, '58 I think, one called a "Buccaneer" that was made for Premier Motors that had a 200 Sachs engine. The Mojave was a Rickman ripoff.
Bill B...


I think you may be confused. Only Montgomery Wards sold Benelli's badged as Wards Riverside motorcycles. Benelli's were also imported and sold by Cosmopolitan Motors in the US as Benelli motorcycles. Cosmo sold a wider range of Benelli's than Wards including the horizontal cylinder models often referred to as "eggs". Typically the Cosmo Benelli was also little more accessorized and more expensive than the comparable Wards Riverside's version.

Are you sure it wasn't a Benelli Barracuda you owned? Never heard of a Benelli Buccaneer, plus Benelli was a major Italian motorcycle manufacturer and would have never used a Sachs engine.

Sears sold Austrian made Puch's or Italian made Gilera's badged as Sears Allstate motorcycles.

Harley Davidson bought controlling stock in the Italian manufacturer Aermacchi in the early 60's and sold Italian made Aermacchi 250/350 singles as Harley Davidsons.

BZ

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Re: Info on this bike-Wards Riverside/Benelli Mojave 3 [Re: Al Eckstadt] #578784
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Thanks everyone for the info and photos. That's more and better info than I found on two attempts today searching the net.
Al


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Re: Info on this bike-Wards Riverside/Benelli Mojave 3 [Re: Al Eckstadt] #578787
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Benelli made a small 2 stroke, 125cc, for Wards. The same machine was also sold under the Harley name before they were involved with Aermacchi. The Buccaneer I had was a Benelli chassie with a Sachs motor that was ordered by Joe Berliner. Sorry, I said Premier earlier and meant Berliner. It had a metal badge on the steering head that said J-BE Buccaneer across at an angle, remember it clearly.


Here's an ad from Berliner:



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Re: Info on this bike-Wards Riverside/Benelli Mojave 3 [Re: Al Eckstadt] #578788
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Originally Posted By: Al Eckstadt
Thanks everyone for the info and photos. That's more and better info than I found on two attempts today searching the net.
Al


There's a Wards Riverside Yahoo Group that I highly recommend if you want to learn more about the Mojave. Several very knowledgable members that own them and can tell you just about anything about them.

BZ


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Re: Info on this bike-Wards Riverside/Benelli Mojave 3 [Re: Boomer] #578795
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Originally Posted By: Boomer
Benelli made a small 2 stroke, 125cc, for Wards. The same machine was also sold under the Harley name before they were involved with Aermacchi. The Buccaneer I had was a Benelli chassie with a Sachs motor that was ordered by Joe Berliner. Sorry, I said Premier earlier and meant Berliner. It had a metal badge on the steering head that said J-BE Buccaneer across at an angle, remember it clearly. Bill B...


Ahhh... a J-Be Buccaneer. Now that makes sense, although I don't think the Buccaneer would have had a Benelli frame. Berliner and Cosmopolitan Motors were rival importers and for Benelli to supply frames to Berliner seems like it would have been a breach of contract or conflict of interest. I don't know that for a fact, it just doesn't seem right?

No offense intended, to the best of my knowledge there was no Benelli sold as a Harley Davidson. There were Harley Davidson 125 Hummers which were US made and based on the design of the German DKW RT125 and there was the Harley Davidson Rapido 125 which was an Italian made Aermacchi. Unless somebody can show me otherwise, I believe those are the only two 125's that Harley made.

A couple of my Italian tiddlers -


A 1952 Aermacchi Cigno. This is the first bike Aermacchi produced. Obviously pre-Harley.


A 1967 Wards Riverside (Benelli Cobra). They never came in this color scheme, but when I was restoring it, I felt this had a little more of a "period" look.

BZ


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Re: Info on this bike-Wards Riverside/Benelli Mojave 3 [Re: Al Eckstadt] #578808
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Well, that's just it, Harley didn't make it, Benelli did. Haven't seen anything yet by goggle but I have seen one in person. Tried to buy it and before the owner got back to me it was sent to a local charity auction and I never saw it again.

I think all the Italian makers didn't care who bought their stuff. That Buccaneer had Ceriani hubs, forks, and shocks, CEV electrics, and a Giuliari seat. Sure looked like a Benelli frame.


Bill B...


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Re: Info on this bike-Wards Riverside/Benelli Mojave 3 [Re: Al Eckstadt] #578809
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Not a lot on info about J-Be's on the web but the little bit I found is that they were re-branded German made Hercules motorcycles built to Berliner's specifications. There's a K100 on Bring-A-Trailer that has Earl's style forks and I believe the Barracuda or Scrambler would have had the 200cc engine and telescopic forks.

Bring-A-Trailer link - Hercules K100 J-Be




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Re: Info on this bike-Wards Riverside/Benelli Mojave 3 [Re: Al Eckstadt] #578811
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Re: Info on this bike-Wards Riverside/Benelli Mojave 3 [Re: Al Eckstadt] #578815
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The styling of this is popular even yet. If you look on eBay under Mojave Gas Tank you will find they are hammering them out (along with the seat pan) reproduction in India with quite a few for sale each week.
They sure beat the styling of rival Sears Allstate Puch Twingles and their boxy Gilera 106 & 124.

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Re: Info on this bike-Wards Riverside/Benelli Mojave 3 [Re: Al Eckstadt] #578842
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I once owned 2 350 mw's...swapped them for bsa parts
the 360 had a bad rep (from what I read anyway)don't remember why.

Re: Info on this bike-Wards Riverside/Benelli Mojave 3 [Re: Al Eckstadt] #578846
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Yeah that's kinda hot. I could see myself with a small Italian single some day...
Like IF I win the lottery! laughing


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Re: Info on this bike-Wards Riverside/Benelli Mojave 3 [Re: ricochetrider] #578858
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Originally Posted By: ricochetrider
Yeah that's kinda hot. I could see myself with a small Italian single some day...
Like IF I win the lottery! laughing


Small Italian bikes can be fun, you do not need to win the lottery to get one, but the spares situation for these little ones leaves a lot to be desired. As britbikers, we are spoiled by comparison.
Don't ask me how I know..


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Re: Info on this bike-Wards Riverside/Benelli Mojave 3 [Re: Al Eckstadt] #578884
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I worked for a Montgomery Wards motorcycle department from late February 1968 until November 1971 part time while in college. (Heck, for the last year or so, I WAS the "department!") The 260 and 360 Mojaves used similar engines to the smaller frame (think 250 Ducati) 250 and 350cc models, but with a 71mm bore rather than 68mm. They also beefed up the shifting mechanism, kickstarter and clutch. The engine was originally designed as a 175, and only sold (as a Benelli) in the Old World. Sears bikes were Puchs and Gileras, not Benellis. The Mojave frame is a Rickman Metisse copy and the front end is a base model Ceriani. The gas tanks are now the most popular aftermarket "cafe racer" tanks out there. Why so many replacement tanks were ordered, I have no idea. I used to buy them for $25 each in the '90s, but they're now going for over $400. (My "Café Cycleogy" column in the Jan/Feb '14 issue of the MOTORCYCLE TIMES was about the tanks.) Parts for the bikes are available, though I wouldn't say readily. The Yahoo group is excellent, and even has free manuals (about what they're worth) online. This is my opening page for the group. Hope it works for you https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Wards_Riverside_Cycles/info;_ylc=X3oDMTJlcWI3ODdjBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzc1MDQ2NTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MjExNjcxBHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZnaHAEc3RpbWUDMTQyMDA1ODI2NQ--

Re: Info on this bike-Wards Riverside/Benelli Mojave 3 [Re: Al Eckstadt] #578893
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About 2-3 years ago eBay was flooded with Benelli and other Italian bike parts from when most of Cosmo's inventory was auctioned off in PA. Stuff on eBay was going dirt cheap. Recently it seems most of the good parts have dried up or gone up in price dramatically. I have tons of NOS parts for my Benelli, but there are a few things I wish I would have bought back up of when they were cheap and plentiful (mainly an extra muffler and header pipe).

Sorry no Mojave, but some pages from a 1967 Wards Catalog. All of the motorcycles would have been Benelli's. The moped is a French made Motobecane.







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Re: Info on this bike-Wards Riverside/Benelli Mojave 3 [Re: Al Eckstadt] #578896
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I guess I could get away with posting a pic of my Italian steed here...






65cc's of raw power!

Anyone got a throttle assy?


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Re: Info on this bike-Wards Riverside/Benelli Mojave 3 [Re: Ob1quixote] #578912
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Originally Posted By: Ob1quixote
I guess I could get away with posting a pic of my Italian steed here...65cc's of raw power! Anyone got a throttle assy?


There's 2 different sellers on eBay that have NOS throttle assemblies -

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Domino-Brake-Thr...d91&vxp=mtr

http://www.ebay.com/itm/DUCATI-BENELLI-M...a61&vxp=mtr

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Re: Info on this bike-Wards Riverside/Benelli Mojave 3 [Re: Ob1quixote] #578928
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Originally Posted By: Ob1quixote
I guess I could get away with posting a pic of my Italian steed here.


Well, while we are talking Italian, here's a pic of mine.



Happy New Year !

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Re: Info on this bike-Wards Riverside/Benelli Mojave 3 [Re: Peter R] #578940
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I have to thank everyone againfor all the valuable information and photos. And especially Krybz for the photos and roadtest.
I also called Bob Harris and he filled me in on some of the pluses and minuses of these models. Thanks Bob.
I'll keep you posted on developments on my finding one of these.

And Happy New Year everyone!
Al


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Al, I just looked again at the photo of the Mojave that started off this thread. The cylinder looks short for a 360 and might actually be a 260. The 360 cylinder has 10 fins. Not terribly relevant, but if you are considering buying the bike, you might want to check.

Re: Info on this bike-Wards Riverside/Benelli Mojave 3 [Re: Al Eckstadt] #578973
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There is a manual posted on the Wards Riverside Yahoo Group. The resolution is not that good, but better than nothing if you need it.





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