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#573572 - 11/23/14 9:25 pm IT LIVES A65 I keep bugging everyone about.  
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Here is the 1967 A65 Lightning project that I keep asking for advice about! I picked it up about 10 years ago and piddled around with it on and off for a few years, ignored it for a few, then this past year really made an effort to finish it up. First few pics are what it was when I brought it home. The wife was not impressed. Many of you, I am sure will recall helping me with different aspects of this build, and may have seen one or two of these pics before. I would have liked to have posted this all in "real time", but it's taken so long I would have been ashamed!











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#573573 - 11/23/14 9:33 pm Re: the A65 project I keep bugging everyone about. [Re: Vetterdog]  
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I had thrown it pretty much into a rolling chassis when I moved to our current house, but then decided I wanted to go hardtail. The motor was an unknown, and I knew nothing about it, but eventually I pulled it apart again and put it together more or less properly, cleaning sludge trap, setting radial and axial play etc., learning as I went with loads of help from all of the great folks here on the BBF.



A neighbor helped me with the welding, but split with his wife and moved out west, leaving my project unfinished and me without a welder. I found someone local, who is very skilled and knowledgable who went back over the previous welds, and fabricated the tabs, supports, bungs etc. to enable me to get back to work on this thing.




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#573574 - 11/23/14 9:40 pm Re: The A65 project I keep bugging everyone about. [Re: Vetterdog]  
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I had hastily put the motor together, but when I went back into it I found this!



The motor also had a ruined tappet and cam lobe, most likely due to lack of oil to the affected areas.



I found that if I took two of the Dremel cutting discs and used them together, I could cut a nice deep groove in the sludge trap plug and get a big screwdriver bit on an impact driver to pull the plug.



All the while, finding and perparing various parts.


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#573576 - 11/23/14 9:42 pm Re: The A65 project I keep bugging everyone about. [Re: Vetterdog]  
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#573578 - 11/23/14 9:46 pm Re: The A65 project I keep bugging everyone about. [Re: Vetterdog]  
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And this brings us to where this bike stands today. I thought I was a pair of petcocks away from finishing when I discovered that the tank I bought, sealed (twice!) and painted and pinstriped was in fact a Thunderbolt tank and would not fit over the double carbs. Also found out the the cylinder head needed attention. As some of you already know, I am currently looking for either a single-carb head, or a dual carb tank. I currently have the cylinder head off and am discovering what badly pitted exhaust valves look like.

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#573628 - 11/24/14 10:23 am Re: The A65 project I keep bugging everyone about. [Re: Vetterdog]  
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That's a good "back-track" write up.

I would look into making tank mounts that allow the tank to just clear the carb tops with enough room for the cables to make their bends.


For me, the photos come out too small to appreciate a lot of your detail work. When I click the photo, it takes me to your photo site where they are still too small. Is it just me? (Google Chrome browser)

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#573681 - 11/24/14 4:44 pm Re: The A65 project I keep bugging everyone about. [Re: Vetterdog]  
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No, it's my stupid phone. It "resizes" all my pictures. Since I insist on clinging to the most basic "flip" phone, they keep making them crappier to get people to get the more costly smart phones. Oddly ALL of the pics were taken with my phone, and not all are puny in size. I had TWO separate teenagers look into it and they couldn't figure it out either! Then again, I still have a rotary phone in my kitchen! As for the tank mounting, it would have to come up two inches or more and it just doesn't look right. Thanks for the kind words.
-Dave


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#573692 - 11/24/14 5:18 pm Re: The A65 project I keep bugging everyone about. [Re: Vetterdog]  
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Phones are made to make phone calls.
Camera's are made to make photo's.
Sorry if I sound like my grandad. grin


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#573758 - 11/24/14 9:44 pm Re: The A65 project I keep bugging everyone about. [Re: Ger B]  
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Originally Posted By: Ger
Phones are made to make phone calls.
Camera's are made to make photo's.
Sorry if I sound like my grandad. grin


I couldn't agree more, Ger. I've never sent a text, it's a phone you don't type on it you speak into it.
A text is just one step above a telegram.


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#574034 - 11/26/14 11:38 am Re: The A65 project I keep bugging everyone about. [Re: shel]  
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They're not phones, they're tiny computers. When I text I can talk to my phone-puter and it writes for me, far easier.

Anyways Vetterdog, the A65 looks great! Borrow a digital camera and take some other pictures with it. I'd love to see the details. I reaaly like the flow of the bike. Hope you can solve the tank issue without too much effort.
My '74 BMW has been sitting for several years patiently waiting while I play with my Triumph and Guzzi.

Maybe my smartphone usage has ruined my focus...

#574059 - 11/26/14 2:28 pm Re: The A65 project I keep bugging everyone about. [Re: Ger B]  
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Originally Posted By: Ger
Phones are made to make phone calls.
Camera's are made to make photo's.
Sorry if I sound like my grandad. grin


No, you sound like ME!

When I knock off work on 12-15, I'll leave the company issue Blackberry at work, and that's going to be it for me and tiny computers and phones.

My phone hangs on the wall of the kitchen with a 30-foot spiral cord. I'll still have the Mac connected to the satellite dish but that stays in the study.

I'm really tired of using one tiny tinny-sounding phone with bad coverage to try to talk to another tiny tinny-sounding phone with bad coverage. Now, at least ONE phone will be a proper one with a wire ....

And the Mac will be useful to keep up with neat projects like this A65!

Lannis


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#574065 - 11/26/14 3:13 pm Re: The A65 project I keep bugging everyone about. [Re: Vetterdog]  
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OK, but he trumped ya with the rotary dial...


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#574113 - 11/26/14 8:03 pm Re: The A65 project I keep bugging everyone about. [Re: No Name Man]  
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My "phone" isn't tinny at all...except for the home phone piece of crap.
So Vetterdog, did you paint the tin yourself? Looks real nice.

#574285 - 11/28/14 3:48 pm Re: The A65 project I keep bugging everyone about. [Re: Vetterdog]  
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Thanks, I did paint it. It's "good from afar, far from good"! I have a little crappy detailing spray gun that was cheap and should've been thrown away a few years ago, but it still works on some level. I build these things to ride, not to show! My daughter has a very nice digital SLR, and in the spring when this is finished I will have her take a series of pictures of the end result, including detail shots of various things I did on this bike that I find interesting, and I guess most of the folks here might appreciate. (like leather fork gaiters!)

P.S. I love to watch people try to use the rotary phone. It takes sooooo loooong! And they always get impatient and screw up and have to start all over again. I really just keep it so that we don't have to give my mother-in-law my cell number!

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#574394 - 11/29/14 4:33 pm Re: The A65 project I keep bugging everyone about. [Re: Vetterdog]  
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I just scored a single-carb head complete with valve assemblies and manifold locally. Got it home and realized it has the rear center stud busted out of it. Can't believe I didn't see it when I bought it! The shop said I could bring it back and they'd get me a good one, so the saga continues.

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#574610 - 12/01/14 10:05 am Re: The A65 project I keep bugging everyone about. [Re: Vetterdog]  
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One step forward, two steps back...

You'll get there; if the above math works correctly, you should be nearing the 70s by now, not far to go!


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#574847 - 12/02/14 11:09 pm Re: The A65 project I keep bugging everyone about. [Re: Vetterdog]  
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Got a better cylinder head from the cycle shop today. Onward!


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#575551 - 12/08/14 12:10 pm Re: The A65 project I keep bugging everyone about. [Re: Vetterdog]  
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Got the new head squared away, cleaned up, valves lapped and installed. Put head on, exhaust on, checked compression. Have to replace coil with different style. Air cleaner now occupies space where coil was. Ordered new dual-fire coil that is the size and shape of one original coil. It will be mounted just above rear motor mounts, under oil tank and below and behind carb. Making progress seems odd given the weather!


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#575683 - 12/09/14 10:15 am Re: The A65 project I keep bugging everyone about. [Re: Vetterdog]  
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Very nice. I need a head in any condition to complete a BSA lump. e-mail me if you are interested in selling the old one.

grandpaulz@hotmail.com


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#576093 - 12/12/14 9:58 pm Re: The A65 project I keep bugging everyone about. [Re: Vetterdog]  
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FINALLY got the coil in the mail and mounted. Kind of labor-intensive; I thought I could use the original coil mount brackets but the dual fire coil is thicker so I had to modify the brace that came with it. I had to cut the ends off, then drill mounting holes. Due to how the bolts go through, I had to use carriage bolts, which meant filing the holes square by hand, then grinding down the heads of the bolts so they don't interfere with the coil. All of the nuts that mount the P-clamps as well as the coil bracket are well behind the bar that they are mounted to, and below the oil tank in front of the battery. A real PITA to get a wrench on, but I have a ratcheting box wrench and a ratchet handle that rotates via the handle that came in very handy. And after the bracket was mounted I found that I couldn't just slip the coil into it, but had to bend the bracket open, then close it over the coil, holding it closed as I tried for about 5 minutes to get the darned nut to thread onto its bolt. Very glad to have gotten this done, and yes, the carb and air cleaner fit in their space with about 3/4" on either side! BTW, the P-clamps are heavy duty 3-piece jobs I bought from J&P cycles. (Harley parts catalog) Very handy little buggers they are!










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#576469 - 12/15/14 1:15 am Re: The A65 project I keep bugging everyone about. [Re: Vetterdog]  
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Mocked up. Getting so close. I am waiting for a new jet for the carb and some #78 drill bits. I also still need to pick up a pair of light sockets for the speedo and tach, plus get the horn working. So close.



I read a different thread wherein someone suggested that the A65's design had the rear wheel in too far and the front wheel too far out from the frame.(In the author's opinion) I always though the rear wheel looked a bit tight, but I think in pulling the rear wheel back on this bike (6") really balances the look. I didn't touch the front.

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#576770 - 12/16/14 9:47 pm Re: The A65 project I keep bugging everyone about. [Re: Vetterdog]  
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David, just want to publicly thank you for a very nice BSA head at a more than fair price. I hope it helped offset the cost of something that will make your bike start and run very soon!


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#576774 - 12/16/14 10:56 pm Re: The A65 project I keep bugging everyone about. [Re: Vetterdog]  
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No, it was about rear wheel being too close to the frame in Lilo thread about his cafe.
My sentiments exactly smile.
I always thought A65 being too short, A10 looks so much better being little longer.
Triumph as well.

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GP, very glad you got it and hope it will help you out as well!


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#577079 - 12/19/14 3:49 pm Re: The A65 project I keep bugging everyone about. [Re: Adam M.]  
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No, it was about rear wheel being too close to the frame in Lilo thread about his cafe.
My sentiments exactly smile.
I always thought A65 being too short, A10 looks so much better being little longer.
Triumph as well.


But the A10 swingarm is shorter than the unit bikes.


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